did anyone just watch winterfox vs tsm

AnOstrichWithPMS··58 votes·5,053 views

more like winterfox vs zed

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AnOstrichWithPMS51 votes

my favorite was the Leona landing not 1 hook but 2 hooks AND HER ULT and zed being chased by 3 people and still gets away

really high risk there...really fair champ

Eedat18 votes

My favorite was when he got caught by Leona and instantly died. Oh wait, nobody wants to talk about that one...

Remlap12236 votes

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Auryiel15 votes

You mean like how it's supposed to happen?

Of course people are gonna talk about the great escape. Very few champions would even have a chance at doing that and that's probably why people are upset about it.

Though I do feel that overall the game was just decided by TSM outplaying their enemies pretty hard

Jacky Shen1 votes

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my favorite was the Leona landing not 1 hook but 2 hooks AND HER ULT and zed being chased by 3 people and still gets away

really high risk there...really fair champ

It was bjergsen. I'm sorry, but you couldn't have done it.

BakugoBestBoy1 votes

He couldn't have done it either if WFX didn't fuck up so hard. That wasn't an outplay it was an embarrassment.

Circuit Bear35 votes

So I am not the only one who felt like that?

Everytime Zed assasinated someone and the commentators went wild I sat there going "Why are you so excited? What did you expect? Riot has removed all instant punishments for that crap. Zed's combo takes less time then Leona's auto attack stun if done at Beirgson's speed(one credit I will say, is he has the cleanest combos I have ever seen, but even at 70 % of his speed, Zed is a bitch to lock down), Kennen needs three marks, Victor no longer has a silence and has a delay stun cause stuns need delays when death and mobililty doesn't. Why WOULDN'T he kill someone unless he had horrendous positioning. What is to top him?"

Just not fun to watch cause its like... "Oh you killed Zed, so zed fucked up, you didn't play well is what you are saying."

I swear Zed feels like vortex in Street fighter. Always at a disadvantagous for the defender and boring as crap to watch after the thousandth time.

Junkο2 votes

Yeah let's compare an assassin to a CC tank and a mage that can burst an entire team.

They should prob revert the Zed change that made his ult spawn shadow from where he ulted instead of next to target

Knight SoIaire 3 votes

he compares assasin to the level of reliability riot gives to cc nowadays

Verandure30 votes

Them saying "Keane got outplayed!" on that solo kill mid irked me something fierce. An outplay would require Keane to have some tool to actually fight back against an all in from Zed -- he doesn't.

Congratulations! Bjergsen used the champion's kit to do exactly what that champion is supposed to do. There was nothing fancy about it.

Yfrappefort7 votes

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Them saying "Keane got outplayed!" on that solo kill mid irked me something fierce. An outplay would require Keane to have some tool to actually fight back against an all in from Zed -- he doesn't.

Congratulations! Bjergsen used the champion's kit to do exactly what that champion is supposed to do. There was nothing fancy about it.

Don't forget he died even after exhausting Zed. He would have needed heal on top of that to survive. Honestly, like you said, getting "outplayed" should be when you can actually do something to fight back against your opponent. You can't do a thing against a Zed engaging on you, you just blow all your summoners, cross your finger and pray his death mark won't pop you.

Yfrappefort16 votes

I like how Zed can leave top lane, go all the way to the blue buff to kill Corki, and then "pop" back to his other shadow back to top lane.

But hey, Zed is balanced. Much counterplay there. Don't know why casters are still getting exited everytime Zed get a solo kill. To use one of the word of the casters, it's "disgusting" to watch.

Circuit Bear1 votes

I thought we were watching Yipes for a second when he said that. FGC commentators are the best.

Marinaras Trench9 votes

he said it was disgusting how good bjergsen is, don't take words out of context just to make a point.

shalec12 votes

Bjergsen isn't even the reason TSM won that game. He ended up dying before doing anything significant in every mid game teamfight and the two fights TSM won in the late game, it was off Winterfox's mistakes. He cleaned up 3 low health targets after they overstayed for bot turret and couldn't disengage and assassinated a QSS-less Corki, but really did nothing else. It was a poorly played fight by Winterfox, and they lost because of it. At this point, you guys are complaining that an assassin can kill and ADC that has nothing to save himself from being assassinated and is walking around alone, facechecking bushes. As far as that chase goes, it's not like Zed's mechanics allowed him to run away from that. Bjergsen created enough distance to get away from everyone but the Leona and lived simply because no one else could get close enough. Not because Zed is broken, any champion with a dash could have gotten away just as easily. I'm not sure if you just want Zed to get nerfed so hard that he will not be able to kill anyone, but that's just not gonna happen. If you're gonna complain about Zed's balance, at least find a better example.

Circuit Bear21 votes

An assassin dove into an entire team by himself 3 times and could not be punished for it. Yes, I think it does matter. Also TSM played pretty awful as well. If they didn't get essentially free kills on the backline from Zed, yea, I think it would have been a very different game.

shalec6 votes

Every other time he dived the entire team, he died for it. He also did absolutely nothing when he died in those scenarios. I don't think Zed is completely balanced right now, but I do think that he has some counterplay and significant counters. In the last fight, everything was used and there was no way to help the lone Corki from dying to Death Mark. Almost any assassin could've killed him and survived.

Audiomancy8 votes

"An assassin jumped into the team, screwed up and died! That means he's not broken!"

chumbler4 votes

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"An assassin jumped into the team, screwed up and died! That means he's not broken!"

Also the argument for why Lee Sin isn't one of the shittiest designs they've ever made.

Arcane Azmadi2 votes

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I'm not sure if you just want Zed to get nerfed so hard that he will not be able to kill anyone, but that's just not gonna happen.

Actually, I'd LOVE it if they'd do this. I wouldn't complain if Riot simply deleted Zed from the game altogether. I am just so SICK of seeing that fucker in 2 out of every 3 games!

Biffolo1 votes

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Actually, I'd LOVE it if they'd do this. I wouldn't complain if Riot simply deleted Zed from the game altogether. I am just so SICK of seeing that fucker in 2 out of every 3 games!

Why don't you just spam zed then if you feel hes so annoying or strong that you want him deleted?

RanmanReborn11 votes

Fuck the LCS.

Eedat8 votes

It's Bjerg. This is how Bjerg is regardless of what champ you give him

Saianna13 votes

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It's Bjerg. This is how Bjerg is regardless of what champ you give him

Yeah? Give him:

Evelynn = assasin. Or Urgot = ADC. Or Skarner =Tank. Or Taric = Support.

I don't think he'll do fancy plays with those.

Eedat5 votes

Funny the QQ when Bjerg does well on Zed but nobody bats an eye when Hai's Zed gets wrecked by a Karthus

Spacefight0r2 votes

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Funny the QQ when Bjerg does well on Zed but nobody bats an eye when Hai's Zed gets wrecked by a Karthus

Bjergsen didn't really shutdown Viktor either. There were points in the game where he had a worse KDA and farm was fairly close. Oh, and a fairly poor showing by Zed in the Team Liquid vs Team 8 game.

Wydiwyg4 votes

So much this.

Also: Daily reminder that Zed currently sits at a 46.99% winrate in Platinum+, which is lower than Leblanc , Ahri , Xerath and 31 other champs commonly played mid.

He may be unfun to play against (although I personally don't mind him that much), but if you want Zed balanced, you'd probably have to QQ for some buffs to him.

Eedat11 votes

WHAT?! How dare you imply we don't all have Bjerg-Level mechanics?!

I would be challenger too if my bot lane would stop feeding!!!!

AnOstrichWithPMS6 votes

lmao now hes gotten a free inhib from just backdooring with the worst possible early game imaginable, zed just controls everything, he can control teamfights and make them 4v5s or get objectives for days

11-1 and losing....what a joke

AnOstrichWithPMS4 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9j5kJrjLtMo&list=PLPZ7h6L6LC7X7JyFE14uywro-O6GsDryA&index=3 here is for the people who didn't see

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK8c5n0ENgM&list=PLPZ7h6L6LC7X7JyFE14uywro-O6GsDryA&index=2 to see a zed being op in a losing game

AND (oooo bonussss package!!!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6Pn2an_qNk a video of zed not giving a damn about zhonyas or qss

what else do I need to find?

Fraggleroc5 votes

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9j5kJrjLtMo&list=PLPZ7h6L6LC7X7JyFE14uywro-O6GsDryA&index=3 here is for the people who didn't see

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK8c5n0ENgM&list=PLPZ7h6L6LC7X7JyFE14uywro-O6GsDryA&index=2 to see a zed being op in a losing game

AND (oooo bonussss package!!!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6Pn2an_qNk a video of zed not giving a damn about zhonyas or qss

what else do I need to find?

these games are what the Gameplay n Balance board has been complaining about for almost a month, that Riot chose to turn a deaf ear to- that Zed is 'not healthy'... also the reason CertainlyT was booed at PAX.

AnOstrichWithPMS3 votes

don't worry they will be sure to 'compensate buff' karthus and viktor with free delays after this lcs week in order to balance the game better

the only 2 champs I feel that could have ''created that distance'' are leblanc and zed and only one of those two can get the towers from splitpushing

Fed by Snu Snu3 votes

And now C9 get to go equal in towers despite being 10-0 down, all because Hai is a threat with Zed even though they have completely screwed up.

dunder kill1 votes

No, they went even in towers because they gave him a free lane with nobody in it to stop him. It's not like that split pushing Zed cost them the game in the end or anything. Oh wait, it did.

LankPants2 votes

Split pushing Zed didn't cost them that game. Losing every single lane and early game objective cost them that game.

anding2 votes

3 items that are everyone's best friend: item 3026 item 3140 item 3157 choose one and zed won't have an effect. and dashes help too. when he puts a mark on you, dash as far away as possible (or just straight up reposition yourself) so that his follow up damage won't land, so you won't die from the death mark, which relies entirely on the follow up damage

AnOstrichWithPMS10 votes

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3 items that are everyone's best friend: item 3026 item 3140 item 3157 choose one and zed won't have an effect. and dashes help too. when he puts a mark on you, dash as far away as possible (or just straight up reposition yourself) so that his follow up damage won't land, so you won't die from the death mark, which relies entirely on the follow up damage

I forget which teams were playing but I know 100% there was an LCS game where they all had zhonyas and QSSes and zed was just popping them and getting away and then going back in with low ult cd afterwards over and over

The Lexer1 votes

the problem with Bjergson is the Corki had no QSS, so Bjerg just targeted him everytime

Octavius Antony3 votes

Honeslty, Bjerg only ulted Corki those couple of times he was isolated. He ulted Leona as much as anyone else.

The Lexer3 votes

and GA helps because.....?

This Fkin Guy15 votes

You get to die, watch your team get aced, and die again!

Junkο1 votes

Armor hardcounters Zed because it is applied to his ult twice (all the damage he dealt is dealt again(after armor reduction) + gets reduced again), MR counters his passive. And then if Zed pops your GA, he just lost his assassination potential for a minute (and teamfights are WAY shorter than that)

JJI7444 votes

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Armor hardcounters Zed because it is applied to his ult twice (all the damage he dealt is dealt again(after armor reduction) + gets reduced again), MR counters his passive. And then if Zed pops your GA, he just lost his assassination potential for a minute (and teamfights are WAY shorter than that)

Not true, the ult detonation uses pre-mitigation damage when calculating the ult detonation damage. So armor only gets factored in once.

Reazale2 votes

Plus Zed still does considerable dmg even without his ult.

Amarajah2 votes

Literally the only thing they need to do to make him have more risk is to revert it so when he ults the shadow spawns behind the enemy where it used to.

That way if he wants to leave after assassinating he will have to use one of his other escapes, do it at a good enough time to just walk out safely, or choose to die/all in for it.

patrichaerle121 votes

lol bjerg honestly didnt play that well I thought dyrus was way better bjerg had some bad deaths and a lot of kills were just clean up

WIOP64571 votes

Can you do everything he did perfectly? Can you fall behind early and still manage to have an impact on the game? Don't criticize people's play all people should do is look at how they themselves play.

Slayertmann1 votes

I think that criticizing a pro is part of being a pro: he isn't judging some random Joe Shmoe on the internet who posted a video- he is criticizing someone whose job performance is a public thing. You don't call someone out for saying Rothlisberger underperformed in a game, because it is their profession and they can and should be objectively looked at by performance like that.

patrichaerle121 votes

I feel like you've misinterpreted my comment the OP said that is was wfx vs zed and what I meant was that it wasn't a one man show like it suggested

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