I think it's not worth to nerf it like that just because 3-4 top lane tanks abusing it. it just nerfed mid lane mages like viktor really hard for no reason. We are already in assassins mid lane meta nerfing the early game of the controll mages is not healthy for the game atm just my opinion want to hear the community about that case.
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Wráthful1 votesYasuo is a fighter being played more often top lane. Fizz got nerfed recently, lb is more a mage and cmon when is the last time you saw a talon? Zed also has like 47% win rate. He's trash.
fizz got his w ap ratio buffed he has 70% ban rate for 2 patches lb still has 1600 range chain and can 1 shot u with 1 rotation of spells if u arent a 2k hp tank, talon same as lb if u call assassins trash we play different games bruh
Penns5 votes
all those broken top tier assassins kappa
Titanium701 votesAurelion.... META - sure. xD
Jinzo Torrance2 votesViktor can't get it without delaying his upgrade, not worth it.
Get Lost Chapter.
Lexyy1 votesI agree with this.
YumaS2Astral1 votesI got downvoted for saying this.
I like to use two or three Dorans rings on champions like 
(Brand is still viable mid despite many people on the boards saying otherwise, Malzahar was still viable mid before those changes despite the changes, and Fiddlesticks is a perfectly viable mid laner)
So that on Brand and Malzahar's case, I can delay 
and go directly for 
and 
. I still purchase Morello later in the game where I need a more slot efficient mana item, and I also need the cooldown reduction.
On Fiddlestick's case, I do that so that I don't have to purchase Morellonomicon at all. He has better synergy with other items like Zhonya and Protobelt, and doesn't want to have to buy a mana item. I don't spam his spells late game anyway.
Other champions I tend to do this are 
so that I can delay their mana items and instead go for better early game options.
None of those champions were broken with two/three D. Rings and I don't want to lose this because tanks are abusing it at the top lane.
nice table1 votesgod forbid that we actually have viable top lane tanks right? better nerf em the instant they start seeing any play.
Hyperiön1 votesThey aren't talking about nerfing the champs.
nice table1 votesnerfing the item that makes champions viable is the same thing as nerfing the champions ya know
Hyperiön1 votesThat isn't what is making them viable lmao.
Sp33d Zer01 votesIs what's allowing them to compete with damage heavy top lanes though. A tank top basically forfeits the lane if they can't stack dorans ATM. They will need a new good item for early laning.
Hyperiön1 votesNot at all.
Look at Galio for example. He can start with 1 dorans, pick up a corruption potion, and do perfectly fine.
He just clears the waves and farms. Tanks were never ones to win lane unless their jungler sat in their lane all game.
Naut, he does the same thing. Clears waves. Farms up to get tanky for his team.
A good item for them to start is Shield. Its super good rn
Sp33d Zer01 votesGalios damage is overtuned right now, and both he and nautilus have heavy mana sustain issues. Abyssal mask changes could supplement then, bit Dorans shield does nothing to combat their heavy mana costs which is why they go dorans ring stack. It gives some tank stats, damage for wave clear, and the mana they need to do so reliably.
Hyperiön1 votesGalios damage isn't overtuned at all haha.
Dorans shield provides safety from pretty much every top laner.
Do what Bjergsen does. Corrupting potion and a dorans.
Sp33d Zer01 votesCorrupting potion and dorans shield is 900 gold soon to be 950 for stats that don't stay as relevant throughout the game as the ap from rings, shield doesn't help with wave clear (again) and neither does potion.
Shield may help keep them from getting poked down, but getting shoved under tower is a much better way to shut down a tank than outright killing them.
Full tank galio does have too much damage right now and needs a base Nerf with scaling buff to encourage his mage tank build.
I see no one going shield corrupting potion galio on any sites. Please send a link.
Hyperiön1 votesI didn't say shield corrupting was a thing. I am saying that you can easily take shield when you need too.
Dorans potion is a lot better
Sp33d Zer01 votesIf you need health sustain sure. But galio naut, and grag do not have health issues in lane as much as mana issues, which triple dorans handles much better
Hyperiön1 votesWell yeah. 12 mana per minion kill.
I wouldn't be surprised if some top laners started with a ROA now. Or 
Edit: Some are actually starting to build GLP first on Galio
Sp33d Zer01 votesWhich was why I said I would like a base damage Nerf and ratio buff to encourage galio and other mage tanks to build more ap and less 100% tank
BananaSlayerAMO1 votesJust to clarify, is the 'nerf' changing the passive to unique?
Hyperiön1 votesCorrect
BananaSlayerAMO2 votesIn that case, I don't think the nerf is uncalled for. Stacking the same item just for its passive is outdated (which is why Unique Passives were invented in the first place).
I mainly play mages, so it's obviously disappointing to see a mana item go (now we only have 
), but if it's a big issue then Riot will reinvent a mana item for us somehow.
Hyperiön1 votesWell, Instead of going double or triple Dorans, can always go with corruption potion. Will give a little mana back for the same cost as a dorans.
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Well, Instead of going double or triple Dorans, can always go with corruption potion. Will give a little mana back for the same cost as a dorans.
Minus the HP and AP. Nowhere close to as effective.
Hyperiön1 votesOnly minus 120 HP and 30 AP.
Erockandroll1 votesIn that case, I don't think the nerf is uncalled for. Stacking the same item just for its passive is outdated (which is why Unique Passives were invented in the first place).
I mainly play mages, so it's obviously disappointing to see a mana item go (now we only have
Riot can get away with this BECAUSE mages already have a ton of mana itemization.
But tanks abused the doran's ring start, because they lacked good caster itemization. Frozen heart is lackluster at the moment, ICB maybe, though neither of those items provide any actual regen. I would think the Catalyst items would work, though RoA and GPL are more AP than Tank items. RG is getting reworked, and the abyssal changes are on hold. (Even though everyone else seemed to think that change was crap)
Quepha1 votesWait, that's all the nerf is? Do any mid laners even stack doran's rings over their actual mana item or blue buff?
ProtestantCaesar1 votesIn my experience, mages only stack Doran's Rings if they get a really bad start to the game.
O Fallen Scholar1 votesharsh? maybe, but the end point is that u need to land ur skillshots not spam them.
LightIsMyPath1 votesMy 2 cents: Another indirect incentive to more snowball. Even in a mage vs mage matchup if one happened to fall behind in early stages of the laning phase going 2 dorans into defensive option was a good fallback strategy as you could help yourself survive while still being able to hold lane. Sure the enemy ended up with an even greater lead on intented build but since Doran is more gold efficient than items components you were not completely pushed out. Now I'm not sure if that fallback is even viable at all so.. Basically you get successfully ganked early in the game and you are completely fucked over, your enemy laner is going to snowball you with you either having defense but being pushed out sustain wise or you trying to keep the same build path while being constantly behind on it
Sp33d Zer01 votesEvery mid lane mage I can think of who would want double dorans just build the mana on level up tome.
ForgiveColour1 votesassassins
mid lane
pick one
Quepha1 votesWe are already in assassins mid lane meta
Guess again http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.playPercent&order=descend&roleSort=Middle Top 3 are mages
SirLapse1 votesDiana actually is one of the most affected since she always relies on double Doran's. Control mages do use it more often yes, but I honestly believe that their max MP pool or at least MP/lv can be buffed to compensate for such a nerf.