How bad doublelift realy is ?

Haunzter was still good imo. He got hardcamped and his jungler did nothing. Sven was a giant minion. I swear green smite would kill him.

Bjerg? Why the hell is he still rated top10 ~~midlaner ~~ player in the world? He looks good in NA, but plays like a turtle. He can't trust his team and can't be unlocked.

DoubleDefeat. :( sorry bro, least you aint WildTurtle? But at least Turtle can roleplay utility.... kind of Biofrost, tough lane bro.

Doublelift isn't bad, EU is just better^^ #easy

Been saying this, but Dlift is no better than Turtle in the end. People flame and hate on Turtle, but his play style is basically the same as DLift with a little less cs and damage on average, with potential to have a crazy massive game, while both are too aggressive with hypercarries and neither perform well on utility or poke adcs.

They had the supposedly easiest group and still choke. This is why I hate TSM, Team Solo Win, Baylife Boys. Even with an awful meltdown IMT at least had a more dangerous group and rookies to World's, while this veteran squad even melts down in the Group of Life.

He got caught because they have no jungle pressure. There is not enough warding to ensure his safety.

having a scaling jungler and attempting to gank when you have scaling lanes against an early game jungler is never easy though, bio/double lost lane in all games i think

mmmmm Anyone shy of a pro player calling a pro player bad is clueless and uneducated.

Tsm's primary problem is they are not proactive, the win in NA because teams make a mistake closing a game and they come back, we have seen this over and over. Better teams don't make mistakes, in that case the most proactive team wins, that's why they never make it out of groups. NA gets cocky week 2 and choke.

He does suck. He literally claims adc's are bad every season, even this one where games are determined by your adc doing well. I never liked watching him because he feeds so much. I feel like at higher elo's you have to expect the ganks, it's no reason to feed like he does.

Doublelift isn't bad. He is just not as good as people think anymore. The last time he could be considered great at international level was late S2/S3 and every NA fan still keep mentioning him alongside top KR, CN and EU ADC when there is a debate about best ADCS in the world or keep mentioning him alonsgide all time Western greats when there is a debate about the best Westenr players at international level

I don't know why you say this, but he's the best TSM player atm imho. But he's adc and he needs time to scale

I've been watching this game for a few years and to be honest I have yet to see a world class ADC or botlane in general from NA. Other regions just have much better pro ADCs

Kind of sickening that DLift is part of NA I agree

They need a new coach. That's all. Parth is a let down. MSI and worlds.

it's not even that, that is indeed a weakness of his, but tsm keeps building a comp that revolves around him, and even though it never works they keep trying it. Doublelift is not a bad player of course, he just is not perfect

About 10 seconds behind the enemy jungler.

EVERY FRIGGEN GAME.

I really don't like Doublelift, and it's not going to change unless he has a serious attitude shift. Right now :

-He is very cocky and his attitude is annoying. He thinks he's the best ADC in the World... -...wich leads him to disrespect his opponents...many times... -...wich leads them to punishing him heavily for being out of position, be it to farm or before/during team fights

So yeah, I don't think he is a good player with this mentality.

I mean, look at TSM vs MSF Day 7, doublelift gets ganked by 2 people while fighting xayah, just stays there and thinks he can kill her.

Yeah, I'm blaming the entire team on this one. While I did kinda have a feeling that TSM would be eliminated on day 2 (as history has suggested that they would, with 1 qf appearance in like 4 trips), the fact they played this ridiculously passive for all of worlds baffles me. Not only did they continue to bleed out objectives (I gotta check, but I'm pretty sure their pre-15min objective/kill difference was something like -22), but their overall comps have looks so incredibly hard to execute perfectly. The tie-break vs misfits was a great example, as literally the only way that comp "works" is if either of their solo laners gets massively ahead, something that was hard to do with sven spending the first 12mins farming.

I think the problem more lies with the comps they were trying to draft rather than the actual players individual skill, TSM focused purely on throughout the whole tournament on losing lane and winning game but that means you give control over to your opponent. The strategy does work and that's proven but it also doesn't guarantee it'll work every time.

ADC will go blue trinket as soon as they hit 9. So there is no yellow trink for DL. I do agree that sometimes he pushed too far and got caught. But most times he just got killed right beside turret. There was nothing he could do.