How bad doublelift realy is ?

Wráthful·Oct 14, 2017·33 votes·4,755 views

i mean he gets caught waaay so much.

54 Comments

MysterQOct 14, 201710 votes

Haunzter was still good imo. He got hardcamped and his jungler did nothing. Sven was a giant minion. I swear green smite would kill him.

Bjerg? Why the hell is he still rated top10 ~~midlaner ~~ player in the world? He looks good in NA, but plays like a turtle. He can't trust his team and can't be unlocked.

DoubleDefeat. :( sorry bro, least you aint WildTurtle? But at least Turtle can roleplay utility.... kind of Biofrost, tough lane bro.

NiteliteOct 14, 20173 votes

Wheres the flame for parth man? He's at fault as much as Sven.

SparklingLamaOct 14, 20171 votes

Parth needs to be demoted or let go.

Miror BOct 14, 20171 votes

See, if they do let him go I would reallly like to see Brokenshard have a go at the helm. He's made average teams better in the past, and according to a few interviews (from what I can remember espn did one with him) he's a teamwork-focused coach whose goal is to put the players in a game that they're comfortable with.

SparklingLamaOct 15, 20171 votes

He stepped down. Its okay.

2Charmnot2CharmOct 14, 20171 votes

Haunzter was still good imo. He got hardcamped and his jungler did nothing.

His decision making this worlds was as bad as it was at msi.

MysterQOct 14, 20171 votes

Maybe, I don't know. BUT he was the only one who showed any hint of talent in his games. Everyone else looked terrible or useless.

redfuryinOct 14, 20171 votes

Haunzter played great....... when he had gnar. after the other teams saw how much impact he had in games as gnar, it was banned out every game. Then he was forced to play anything else and would struggle. seems like TSM had it in their minds who they wanted and if they didnt get the picks they would fall apart. BTW whos idea was it to grab lulu and leave janna up on the board? lol

IllydthOct 15, 20171 votes

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Haunzter was still good imo. He got hardcamped and his jungler did nothing. Sven was a giant minion. I swear green smite would kill him.

Bjerg? Why the hell is he still rated top10 ~~midlaner ~~ player in the world? He looks good in NA, but plays like a turtle. He can't trust his team and can't be unlocked.

DoubleDefeat. :( sorry bro, least you aint WildTurtle? But at least Turtle can roleplay utility.... kind of Biofrost, tough lane bro.

This. So this.

I kept watching every TSM game and wondering why it was Haunzter, Doubleift and Biofrost against a 5 man team?

Bjerg might as well have been invisible, he was utterly useless and utterly and completely non-impactful in pretty much ANY game they played at worlds.

And Sven? We came out of worlds last year talking about how BAD Sven was...and his team came out earlier this year saying "oh no, he's not bad, he just has to facecheck more because that's his job!"

No, he's bad.

Way bad.

Replace Sven with a jungler that is in any way proactive at all and you MIGHT, JUST MIGHT, be able to not look like plat level players against the rest of the world.

The best description of Sven I have seen yet: Haunzter gets 2 man ganked in top lane...Sevn starts making his way up and shows up...JUST as Haunzter gets killed...and goes in anyway.

WAIT FOR ME GUYS! I'M COMING! I'M COMING!!!! SORRY HAUNZTER!!! REVENGE!!!! YOLO!!!!

Wait....I died? Was that good Bjerg? Was I a good player Bjerg? Huh? Huh? DID YOU SEE ME!

MysterQOct 15, 20171 votes

I can't even call Sven a walking ward because he was always in a bush behind turret. Never in river, never in enemy jungle, rarely in his jungle lol. Where the hell was he every game.

Gottfried StutzOct 14, 20177 votes

Doublelift isn't bad, EU is just better^^ #easy

Yordle XayahOct 14, 20173 votes

I like your icon

Gottfried StutzOct 14, 20173 votes

FNC <3 I have the 2015 also.

TeslynOct 14, 20173 votes

Doublelift is a selfish player. I bet he tries harder in tryouts vs an actual game.

He has a specific style. Farm for 30 minutes then carry game. If he cant Farm for 30 minutes he just ends up feeding. He doesnt adapt, he doesnt take responsibility for what he does and he doesnt learn.

mechanically great player.

he should have better luck just playing the game for fun and not be a pro because he doesnt fit a team mentality.

Last BreàthOct 14, 20172 votes

He is an abuser of the meta too.

ChompyWulfOct 14, 20174 votes

Been saying this, but Dlift is no better than Turtle in the end. People flame and hate on Turtle, but his play style is basically the same as DLift with a little less cs and damage on average, with potential to have a crazy massive game, while both are too aggressive with hypercarries and neither perform well on utility or poke adcs.

They had the supposedly easiest group and still choke. This is why I hate TSM, Team Solo Win, Baylife Boys. Even with an awful meltdown IMT at least had a more dangerous group and rookies to World's, while this veteran squad even melts down in the Group of Life.

MysterQOct 14, 20171 votes

At least Turtle will play a utility ADC and just accept that he is only there for Ult. I don't think DDrop would step down and say I can't carry.

I know Turtle did use hypercarries in summer, but I think he would step down more than DLoss. Sadly it isn't even his choice when everyone ays play meta even if we suck at it.

sky blowerOct 14, 20173 votes

He got caught because they have no jungle pressure. There is not enough warding to ensure his safety.

ChompyWulfOct 14, 20171 votes

That's a poor excuse. More than ever the game is set up that anyone can get vision. If you play safe and let your yellow trink double stack up and hold a control ward you can have vision. If you don't have a yellow or control, don't push up with foggy territory around. You can't use excuses like that anymore.

Large PogOct 14, 20172 votes

having a scaling jungler and attempting to gank when you have scaling lanes against an early game jungler is never easy though, bio/double lost lane in all games i think

MysterQOct 14, 20177 votes

So stop picking Sej when you do terrible on it. Your top is getting camped and you literally walk behind him then turn around after he dies.

LongSh4dowsOct 14, 20172 votes

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So stop picking Sej when you do terrible on it. Your top is getting camped and you literally walk behind him then turn around after he dies.

It's like they were picking champs off a Tier list. I think NA is the most "meta-whore" region in the world.

GForce9xOct 14, 20176 votes

Biofrost is at his best when he is on a playmaking champ. I almost turned off the stream (and in hindsight I should have), when I saw the Karma pick. They are so caught up in the Ardent Censer meta as if the item alone is gonna win them the game. Give him his signature Thresh. Hell, give him Bard.

Trist was open and they put DL on Kog? Seriously?

So scared of being counterpicked so they grab Jayce (horrible pick that screwed up their teamcomp in their elimination game last year against SSG). They play too much to the other team rather than just focus on making their own team with their own goal.

It's like that play to win vs. play to not lose mindset. They aren't drafting teams to take it to their opponents. They are drafting teams to try and keep their opponents taking it to them.

It's the same thing at every major international tournament. TSM loses time and time again in champ select. The more critical the game is, the more questionable their teamcomps seem to get.

CrisisEchoesOct 14, 20172 votes

mmmmm Anyone shy of a pro player calling a pro player bad is clueless and uneducated.

MysterQOct 14, 20175 votes

Of course DL is better than most players, but we are discussing on the professional level (can't even say World's level at this point).

Like, don't you consider it a joke that he was placed at like #19 in the world?!? NINETEENTH best player in the world? And that is his ceiling, losing to everyone.

WráthfulOct 14, 20175 votes

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mmmmm Anyone shy of a pro player calling a pro player bad is clueless and uneducated.

why i'm not able to commentate because im not a pro player? i see a mistake i point it out everyone is able to criticize everyone else.

CrisisEchoesOct 14, 20174 votes

Calling anyone at the world tournament bad is like calling a master chess player bad because they lose to a grandmaster. Its uneducated. Neither of the players are bad, ones just better than the other. Our resident bronze overlords are bad. But challenger players playing in the world tournament? lmao, I dont think you understand exactly how meticulous those people are.

WráthfulOct 14, 20174 votes

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Calling anyone at the world tournament bad is like calling a master chess player bad because they lose to a grandmaster. Its uneducated. Neither of the players are bad, ones just better than the other. Our resident bronze overlords are bad. But challenger players playing in the world tournament? lmao, I dont think you understand exactly how meticulous those people are.

dlift last underperforming those 2 weeks u seem butthurt with using such general phrases and ignoring the gameplay completely.

Pale PirateOct 14, 20172 votes

You seem more butthurt by completely ignoring this guy's arguments and using two sentences max on all of your comments ._.

Blakers1Oct 14, 20173 votes

Can you explain traditional sports? I'm pretty sure it is widely accepted to criticize any player that is performing well or bad in comparison to their peers in pretty much every sport in the world. Being objective with criticism can be done by anyone. LoL casters are actually a great example of this considering they literally get paid to do the exact thing you consider clueless and uneducated, while mostly being silver to gold players. Obviously, casters like Crumbz are bad examples of this, but are also considered outliers. I don't want to come off as an ass hole, but it sounds like you're just ignorant and can't handle the upset of NA at worlds.

CrisisEchoesOct 14, 20173 votes

Excepted? accepted? hmmm. Perhaps you should edit that because the difference between those two words would change the entire point of your argument.

I have a c9 icon on? As if i give a damn about tsm. Tsm always chokes, it's their strong suit. Has been for years.

Just because bjergsen loses to faker, does not give 99% the playerbase the right(or even the game knowledge required) to call bjergsen bad o.0. Hes worse in comparison to faker, however, he is not a bad player. It is simply wrong.

Contrary to popular belief, the popular habit isn't necessarily accurate or proper. It being widely accepted to "call players bad" may be popular, however its an uneducated argument formed by jealous people. A more accurate argument would be to say that faker is better than bjergsen; not that bjergsen is bad.

Oh and if you dont want to sound like an ass hole, get your facts straight. Its not an upset if NA never had a shot to begin with =)

DradenOct 14, 20172 votes

Tsm's primary problem is they are not proactive, the win in NA because teams make a mistake closing a game and they come back, we have seen this over and over. Better teams don't make mistakes, in that case the most proactive team wins, that's why they never make it out of groups. NA gets cocky week 2 and choke.

Evil YasuoOct 14, 20172 votes

He does suck. He literally claims adc's are bad every season, even this one where games are determined by your adc doing well. I never liked watching him because he feeds so much. I feel like at higher elo's you have to expect the ganks, it's no reason to feed like he does.

Ale non è maleOct 14, 20172 votes

Doublelift isn't bad. He is just not as good as people think anymore. The last time he could be considered great at international level was late S2/S3 and every NA fan still keep mentioning him alongside top KR, CN and EU ADC when there is a debate about best ADCS in the world or keep mentioning him alonsgide all time Western greats when there is a debate about the best Westenr players at international level

MysterQOct 14, 20172 votes

SADLY, he is still ranked top 20 by the 3 casters.

Top 20 PLAYERS, so like top 7 ADC.

Ale non è maleOct 14, 20172 votes

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SADLY, he is still ranked top 20 by the 3 casters.

Top 20 PLAYERS, so like top 7 ADC.

Riot wants to create interest by hyping certain teams and players...but this lead people to actually believe this is true When people talk about changes to future NALCS and EULCS, I think this is an aspect they have to tackle, because the disappointemnt the fans get after these teams underperform is not a positive for competitive esports viewership and consequently game advertisement

WráthfulOct 16, 20171 votes

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SADLY, he is still ranked top 20 by the 3 casters.

Top 20 PLAYERS, so like top 7 ADC.

i still dont get how he is above rekkles who is not even in the top 20 lul,

Zed geniusOct 14, 20171 votes

it's not even that, that is indeed a weakness of his, but tsm keeps building a comp that revolves around him, and even though it never works they keep trying it. Doublelift is not a bad player of course, he just is not perfect

Team PhoqueOct 14, 20171 votes

Kind of sickening that DLift is part of NA I agree

RequiemsfireOct 14, 20171 votes

I think the problem more lies with the comps they were trying to draft rather than the actual players individual skill, TSM focused purely on throughout the whole tournament on losing lane and winning game but that means you give control over to your opponent. The strategy does work and that's proven but it also doesn't guarantee it'll work every time.

Miror BOct 14, 20171 votes

Yeah, I'm blaming the entire team on this one. While I did kinda have a feeling that TSM would be eliminated on day 2 (as history has suggested that they would, with 1 qf appearance in like 4 trips), the fact they played this ridiculously passive for all of worlds baffles me. Not only did they continue to bleed out objectives (I gotta check, but I'm pretty sure their pre-15min objective/kill difference was something like -22), but their overall comps have looks so incredibly hard to execute perfectly. The tie-break vs misfits was a great example, as literally the only way that comp "works" is if either of their solo laners gets massively ahead, something that was hard to do with sven spending the first 12mins farming.

MysterQOct 14, 20171 votes

To be fair, at least he was farming this game, unlike the others where he was just standing there.

GripaAviaraOct 14, 20171 votes

I don't know why you say this, but he's the best TSM player atm imho. But he's adc and he needs time to scale

RaiyzaOct 14, 20171 votes

They need a new coach. That's all. Parth is a let down. MSI and worlds.

YfrappefortOct 14, 20171 votes

I really don't like Doublelift, and it's not going to change unless he has a serious attitude shift. Right now :

-He is very cocky and his attitude is annoying. He thinks he's the best ADC in the World... -...wich leads him to disrespect his opponents...many times... -...wich leads them to punishing him heavily for being out of position, be it to farm or before/during team fights

So yeah, I don't think he is a good player with this mentality.

WigglepufftuffOct 14, 20171 votes

I mean, look at TSM vs MSF Day 7, doublelift gets ganked by 2 people while fighting xayah, just stays there and thinks he can kill her.

sky blowerOct 15, 20171 votes

ADC will go blue trinket as soon as they hit 9. So there is no yellow trink for DL. I do agree that sometimes he pushed too far and got caught. But most times he just got killed right beside turret. There was nothing he could do.

NoblewindOct 15, 20171 votes

I've been watching this game for a few years and to be honest I have yet to see a world class ADC or botlane in general from NA. Other regions just have much better pro ADCs

Ale non è maleOct 16, 20171 votes

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I've been watching this game for a few years and to be honest I have yet to see a world class ADC or botlane in general from NA. Other regions just have much better pro ADCs

Nah. ADC in the past was easily the best competitive position for NA S3 it was the only position where they were ahead of other regions, when Sneaky/Wildturtle/Doublelift were all closer to their peaks while in Europe until mid S3 summer where Tabzz and Freeze started to make a name for themselves, you had CandyPanda and yellowpete beng the best of the crop behind Genja (with rekkles being still underage to player and Forg1ven/MrRallez that were going through Challenger scene), and in summer season 4 EU ADC quality had a slump in S4 Summer between roster changes and team struggles, while NA got Vasiilii through LMQ to join the top ranks

IllydthOct 15, 20171 votes

About 10 seconds behind the enemy jungler.

EVERY FRIGGEN GAME.