Fiora and Riven mains

Andrionar·Jan 25, 2016·2 votes·1,136 views

I don't think that all Fiora, Riven players are the same - you shouldn't take my opinion personaly. I noticed that most of those champions mains I have met in the game were acting pretty similiar and thats it.

Actualy Riven isn't that strong atm, but then she was, quit often I would notice that her mains would complain if someone kicks theyr ass in the lane, that the champion they play against is op, etc...

The actual chat. I'm Khazix

Fiora: q 400 demage, khazix needs nerf

khazix: khazix is already nerfed and is hard to be useful with

Fiora: not enought

Khazix: look at his win rate

Fiora: so? riven has low win rate to

Khazix: .......................

For people who don't know why Riven has low win rate - shes very intense mechanicaly and is harder to learn then an average champion. People who have played more games with her, have significantly higher win rate.

23 Comments

TyroneWatermelonJan 25, 20162 votes

No,riven is one of the easiest champions to play and learn,but she got high potential that isn't unlocked that easily. But fiora is the broken braindead no skill champ,exactly like garen except more broken

AndrionarJan 25, 20162 votes

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No,riven is one of the easiest champions to play and learn,but she got high potential that isn't unlocked that easily. But fiora is the broken braindead no skill champ,exactly like garen except more broken

I tried Riven a few times and I was horrible. Without that potential, you will lose your lane every time. I call such champions hard to play.

Edited: but I understund what you wanted to say

TyroneWatermelonJan 25, 20163 votes

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I tried Riven a few times and I was horrible. Without that potential, you will lose your lane every time. I call such champions hard to play.

Edited: but I understund what you wanted to say

Just because you failed doesn't mean it's hard. At first long long ago when I just started I sucked hard with YI and Fizz.does that mean they are hard to play?certainly No. Except Yi,he is high skill cap. The champion expirience depends on the player's knowledge and playstyle

AndrionarJan 25, 20161 votes

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Just because you failed doesn't mean it's hard. At first long long ago when I just started I sucked hard with YI and Fizz.does that mean they are hard to play?certainly No. Except Yi,he is high skill cap. The champion expirience depends on the player's knowledge and playstyle

My friend coudn't play her to then he tried. You probably need time to get to used to every champion. If she isn't hard to play why she has such a low win rate without direct nerfs huh?

TyroneWatermelonJan 25, 20162 votes

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My friend coudn't play her to then he tried. You probably need time to get to used to every champion. If she isn't hard to play why she has such a low win rate without direct nerfs huh?

Again,champion balance is not judged by mechanical complexity,a champ can be easy to play,like riven,and have low winrate,and a champ can be hard to play,like azir and still have a low winrate,and vica versa.

TheOGSnowJan 25, 20161 votes

kappa. Fiora DOES take skill. A good Fiora can proc her ult before you die(unless she's super fed or you're just super squish). A good Fiora times when she uses her W in lane and in teamfights. A good Fiora has very few counters, but a bad one is so easy to tear apart that it isnt even funny.

TyroneWatermelonJan 25, 20161 votes

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kappa. Fiora DOES take skill. A good Fiora can proc her ult before you die(unless she's super fed or you're just super squish). A good Fiora times when she uses her W in lane and in teamfights. A good Fiora has very few counters, but a bad one is so easy to tear apart that it isnt even funny.

A good garen times up his W at the right moment,not whenever he's in combat. A good Darius will time his Q to heal back,not just for damage. A good Malphite will use his E to cripple his opponents,a second and half after knockup,and not just for damage. Same case with Fiora,there can be playstyle differences but all these champs I mentioned inculding fiora are mechanically braindead.

TheOGSnowJan 25, 20162 votes

Except that a good Garen still does a crapton of damage, even if you're bad, yet is tanky as hell. Darius, same thing. Malph isnt going to die for the next century even if he fucks up mechanically. Fiora, however, is pretty squishy early on, and thus dies if she makes a mistake. It's not uncommon for a Fiora to instantly lose lane completely just because she screwed up at the wrong time. I.e, in a fiora vs riven lane, a fiora vs darius lane, a fiora vs jax lane, she can win against all of them, but if she messes up, the lane is over. She might as well just afk because, regardless of her rework, she's useless.

TyroneWatermelonJan 26, 20161 votes

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Except that a good Garen still does a crapton of damage, even if you're bad, yet is tanky as hell. Darius, same thing. Malph isnt going to die for the next century even if he fucks up mechanically. Fiora, however, is pretty squishy early on, and thus dies if she makes a mistake. It's not uncommon for a Fiora to instantly lose lane completely just because she screwed up at the wrong time. I.e, in a fiora vs riven lane, a fiora vs darius lane, a fiora vs jax lane, she can win against all of them, but if she messes up, the lane is over. She might as well just afk because, regardless of her rework, she's useless.

Same case for fiora,just like garen. Even if she fucks up she is still so forgiving,able to 1v1 most champs even when she's 0/4,she can barely fuck up mechanically,but actually if she messes up its totally fine,because she still deals crap tons of damage without any skill involved

HaiLnKillJan 25, 20162 votes

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robooooJan 26, 20161 votes

You say that now, but she was pretty bad when she was first reworked and nobody played her. She walks this fine line where what makes her really fun is also why she's way too strong.

JQKAndreiJan 26, 20161 votes

Actualy Riven isn't that strong atm, but then she was, quite often I would notice that her mains would complain if someone kicks their ass in the lane

I've actually seen more often that people complain at Rivens because they're not kicking their opponent's ass in lane.

AndrionarJan 26, 20161 votes

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I've actually seen more often that people complain at Rivens because they're not kicking their opponent's ass in lane.

Yeah, that happens even more often. But no probs for me

Sir YamazukiJan 26, 20161 votes

{quoted} For people who don't know why Riven has low win rate - shes very intense mechanicaly and is harder to learn then an average champion. People who have played more games with her, have significantly higher win rate.

Same for Kha, they both have very similar win rates based on experience. Although I know people only like bringing up something that supports their idea while rejecting any that goes against them.

AndrionarJan 26, 20161 votes

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Same for Kha, they both have very similar win rates based on experience. Although I know people only like bringing up something that supports their idea while rejecting any that goes against them.

I partialy don't agree with you, same with rengar, shaco... In my last 300 games I didn't saw any khazix, until hes recent buffs.

If you have experience, you can play with every champion well, but other champions can do same, just better.

Sir YamazukiJan 26, 20161 votes

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I partialy don't agree with you, same with rengar, shaco... In my last 300 games I didn't saw any khazix, until hes recent buffs.

If you have experience, you can play with every champion well, but other champions can do the same or even better, like riven, if you would compare her with kha.

Riven is 0.2% lower than Kha when both are played by people who play them often, so, as I said in the original post they both follow similar stats based on experience. The only difference between the two is one is played top, and the other is played in the jungle and the fact Riven is generally played by fairly experienced players. So, you're less likely to really see a "bad" Riven than a "bad" Kha which has nothing to do with Riven being better, it's just people playing Riven are better with the champion.

http://champion.gg/champion/Khazix http://champion.gg/champion/Riven

AndrionarJan 26, 20161 votes

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Riven is 0.2% lower than Kha when both are played by people who play them often, so, as I said in the original post they both follow similar stats based on experience. The only difference between the two is one is played top, and the other is played in the jungle and the fact Riven is generally played by fairly experienced players. So, you're less likely to really see a "bad" Riven than a "bad" Kha which has nothing to do with Riven being better, it's just people playing Riven are better with the champion.

http://champion.gg/champion/Khazix http://champion.gg/champion/Riven

Could you find info how they're playable in certain divisions, becouse I don't realy know where to search? ^^

While playing in diamond, I didn't met nor one khazix player, I met a few in plat and a lot below, while on smurf.

P.S I started playing khazix agen after hes recent buffs, recently.

Sir YamazukiJan 26, 20161 votes

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Could you find info how they're playable in certain divisions, becouse I don't realy know where to search? ^^

While playing in diamond, I didn't met nor one khazix player, I met a few in plat and a lot below, while on smurf.

P.S I started playing khazix agen after hes recent buffs, recently.

Those are plat+ only.

AndrionarJan 26, 20161 votes

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Those are plat+ only.

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Edited I don't understund your post

Sir YamazukiJan 26, 20161 votes

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Those stats are for plat and above only, sorry for not being clearer.

AndrionarJan 26, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lord Yamazuki,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aBiEBq5c,comment-id=0003000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-01-26T08:28:22.994+0000)

Those stats are for plat and above only, sorry for not being clearer.

lol, that was obvious..... My bad.

You might be right, but I'm talking from my own experience. This year I didn't saw any good/decent khazix player in any of my games, nor in normals.