Riot, what about Mordekaiser? - "were to busy with xin buffs atm, we must make him over powered"

Andrionar··22 votes·2,257 views

Typical Rito: * "we are not planning any changes for Mordekaiser atm, were busy with more important things - we must Buff Xin Zhao without reason by giving him insane sustain and unneeded demage*. Might actualy make people forget about Graves being Broken in almost every role...

Edited 3: most people, probably would agree that Mordekaiser rework failed and it needs to be re-done from the begining, without making him OP or UP with VU, becouse Morde looks awful.

Edited 2: I hope that one day, Riot will start paying more attention to the boards and comunity and gonna fix Morde once and for all, but I still have a simple suggestable fix atm: remove dragon ghost, make champions ghosts have scalings, instead of letting ghosts have same stats, rework hes w and remove sustain from it, becouse people don't like playing him in duo lane, increase hes base stats, if Riot doesn't want to increase them enought, hextech gunblade should be the core item as it was before, becouse I don't see how else he could surive laning phase without being to OP, Re-adjust q and e scalings and make the demage respectively higher with each hit, so he wouldn't feel to weak if you build at least 1 defensive item, like he feels right now, also, without any attack speed item, hes q animation attack speed is to slow, especialy then teams in the current meta are very bursty. In my opininion, Dragon ghost looks very cool, but is to strong, especialy in competitve play, where teams are more organised and objectives control is the most important thing to dominate the game.

I can't imagine how champion can have such terrible base stats (20 armour at level 1) and have such low impact late game for an average player. If you build Mordekaiser full offensive, you have to get into meele range and will be kited, peeled and killed, even if you're able to reach your target you are to squishy to kill them before they will kill you, if you build him as a fighter or tank, hes not even close as tanky as Shen or Maokai, has no cc, nor reliable utility to offer for team. I recently played him with 79 MR at level 1 against ekko and he still was able to take more then half of my health with one rotation after a few levels....

Even if comnunity aren't happy about changes, Riot will pretend that they're going to look at them in the "near" future or they don't have a plann yet. Riot gave Kassadin a few little changes and made him viable agen, after being unplayable for a year or so.... Why is Riot is ignoring Mordekaiser like they were ignoring Kassa? At least they could make some updates or changes to Morde on PBE to let Morde fans know that Riot care about them.

I think Morde might still work in certain team comps, but theres a lot better options, besides him.

Edited: also, 2th attacks from hes q with the same demage looks kinda akward to me and doesn't make sense. The demage should be respectively higher with each attack as it was right after the rework, but not with the same scalings, without making changes in hes whole kit.

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xl Kirito lx2 votes

Remember? Mordekaiser used to be viable. But people didn't want him to be a viable bot lane carry, so they got every aspect of him nerfed, to accomodate casting W on minions.

Andrionar13 votes

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Remember? Mordekaiser used to be viable. But people didn't want him to be a viable bot lane carry, so they got every aspect of him nerfed, to accomodate casting W on minions.

He was nerfed, becouse he had like 90 % bann rate in LCS, comunity didn't liked him being so strong and also prefered playing him in solo lanes.

Malicious Metal9 votes

He was blatantly overpowered due to him artificially removing the disadvantages of being in a duo lane. Also in organized play him getting dragon meant giving up two entire turrets.

He was not viable, he was broken.

Now with the unfair advantages gone he more reliably reflects his power level.

xl Kirito lx2 votes

Duo exp? That's fair. They should've started nerfing that, instead of his W's sustain in lane. W sustain would've let him hold his own in bot lane, without having the early level 6 tower dive.

Nerf dragon. Morde was a tempo machine, that's why he was so threatening in competitive. If memory serves, he actually got played a few games, and didn't do amazingly. He did well, but not solo carry level.

He was viable. He had good matchups, bad matchups. Most annoying part about him was his interaction with rylai's and his ult. He would destroy a Jinx/Leona lane, but die to a cait/janna lane.

Power level. His ult just got changed to 25/75%. Since he's came out, all that's happened is incessant nerfs to mordekaiser. Honestly, on release, he held his own in a solo lane. Not amazing, but acceptable.

WadeWilson13371 votes

He won the only 2 games i remember him not being banned in..

Stars Shaper1 votes

You'll find him pretty usable in Toplane right now. Riot specifically said that they are going to adress him but in the long time period which means giving priority to toher porjects and give him minor tweaks if things get out of hand in the waiting for his VGU that will take most likely a year to be optimistic.

Andrionar1 votes

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You'll find him pretty usable in Toplane right now. Riot specifically said that they are going to adress him but in the long time period which means giving priority to toher porjects and give him minor tweaks if things get out of hand in the waiting for his VGU that will take most likely a year to be optimistic.

I tried him top and I think hes pretty ok there, hes even able to win certain match ups. The thing you must to do if you won your lane, is to snowball, becouse late game, after everyone has full builds, he feels usuless.

Stars Shaper1 votes

That happens to a lot of characters unfortunally. Xerath is my main and while it doesn't feel so snowbally if you let them get items your damage won't kill any1 because tankiness or life steal.

Morde has the ability to be a heavy frontliner. I could stay in the middle of their base after taking inib 1 even by myself if we already scored 2 kills during the siege. You must phisically carry your team to their base and win xD

Or exploit a fed AD ghost.

alfavhunter1 votes

they need to rework his R and give him better base stats

The dragon pet is to much of a "power budget" factor and should be removed or toned down

Example

It should scale more with his R rank

Dragon has 40/60/80% of its stats when mord gets it, instead of the 100% at all ranks

This opens power options elsewhere (like reasonable base stats for a jugarnot) and helps tone down the gimic that dragon currently is

Andrionar1 votes

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they need to rework his R and give him better base stats

The dragon pet is to much of a "power budget" factor and should be removed or toned down

Example

It should scale more with his R rank

Dragon has 40/60/80% of its stats when mord gets it, instead of the 100% at all ranks

This opens power options elsewhere (like reasonable base stats for a jugarnot) and helps tone down the gimic that dragon currently is

I agree, but I'd like Riot to leave some similiaritys to hes r. I especialy like it's sound effect. ^^Hes ghosts nerfs or changes would be the best reason to buff hes base stats and would make him a lot more viable then he is right now.

alfavhunter2 votes

One of the best ways to rework his R would be changing how the ghost scales

For example

Let the defensive stats come from the ghoste while all damage stats come from mord

Example ult thier melee based tank and your ghost is a lot more durable but melee

Ult thier adc and your ghost has range as its advantage

It would take stats like HP, armor mr attack range and MS from the target, but it's damage and AS would come from mord stats

Need a tanky ghost to tank tower or a dragon/ baron, ghost thier tank, need someone to dps, ghost thier carry (it also helps you kill the carry with the initial damage)

Just changing how his R scales will effect it's power budget and open room for elsewhere

Malicious Metal1 votes

OR you could do it 50/50 like my proposed Mordekaiser rework :^)

Sahn Uzal1 votes

Malicous Metal approves EDIT: he was here already. Nvm summoner 31

qetzel1 votes

Remeber that Morde got changes in 6.1. It takes a couple of patches to gauge where a champion with such a low pick rate lies. He has not been forgotten.

WadeWilson13371 votes

The fact that the community is crying over people not wanting a fucking Bruiser as an adc is absolutely beyond me. Buff him, but the entire idea of making him an adc was absolutely retarded. And the dragon? WHAT THE HELL. I dont know how that even went live.

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