The game is getting to be too unforgiving.

GigglesO·Dec 15, 2017·124 votes·5,461 views

Got hit by a stray aoe -half hp Got hit by a full combo- Dead Got CC'd- dead Got in range of an adc for 2 seconds- dead Died twice in lane- Tower is dead

Can we please tone down the damage.

174 Comments

The OasisDec 15, 201767 votes

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Died twice in lane- Tower is dead

Woah, can I get some of your games? That sounds pretty forgiving compared to my experiences.

McFatalDec 15, 201741 votes

pick a fighter top and NOT be above 80% hp at 10 minutes = ur about to get dove by the malphite/jungler for free

Troll for TrumpDec 15, 201725 votes

PIck a fighter top and cry as you get outtraded by Maokai, Sion, and even Malphite for some reason.

ApexInTheCircleDec 15, 201726 votes

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PIck a fighter top and cry as you get outtraded by Maokai, Sion, and even Malphite for some reason.

Riot doesn't have a balance team anymore, didn't you hear? They replaced it with a dartboard and things to nerf/buff that spins around while everyone at Riot HQ throws darts and whichever ones has the most darts on it gets implemented.

redbullncigDec 15, 20178 votes

Agreed. patch 7.24 was the dumbest sht ive ever seen. how about that morgana buff that they had to hot fix cause they are dumb af. why would you focus on champions that are fine and ignore the champs with 55 and 56% win rates. lmao guys cmon really?

AirKingNeoDec 16, 20173 votes

No, they're just super biased.

GigglesODec 16, 20173 votes

Don't say that too loudly, you will get a rioter to come and yell at you that thats now why they do things. They will do it without any evidence of why they do things either.

AirKingNeoDec 16, 20174 votes

I mean the evidence of Riot's bias is within the changes they make and promises they fail.

GigglesODec 16, 20174 votes

Yea, but if you try and tell the precious played in 20% of the games champions. They aren't losing because they picked the champion into a bad matchup. They are losing because "their champ is underpowered". I wish I could use that excuse every time I lost a game.

DragonSheaDec 15, 201715 votes

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pick a fighter top and NOT be above 80% hp at 10 minutes = ur about to get dove by the malphite/jungler for free

Yeah that shit is annoying.

RookPusherDec 15, 20173 votes

I'm asking this, not telling: Shouldn't that mean we prioritize health regen?

McFatalDec 15, 20173 votes

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I'm asking this, not telling: Shouldn't that mean we prioritize health regen?

Certain mods and people on this site claim riven is in no way weak and that fighters are fine where they are.

Ironically most of them are tank mains and claim rivers intended weakness is her disgustingly low hp regent even in a meta where tanks outclass her completely on every scale

RalanrDec 15, 20174 votes

Quick question: where are you getting the impression that Riven is weak?

I’m checking league of Graphs and her winrate is above 50% in diamond.

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/riven/diamond

McFatalDec 15, 20174 votes

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Quick question: where are you getting the impression that Riven is weak?

I’m checking league of Graphs and her winrate is above 50% in diamond.

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/riven/diamond

I’m honest to god tired of having to talk to u.

Please PLEASE go onto any riven main above diamonds profile add them and tell me what they think of riven.

GO ONTO THE 3 challenger riven streams and TELL me what they say.

Tanks DICK HER

ranged champs DICK HER

Peel F U C K S her She can’t do SHIT in team fights let alone lane against a tank

DO NOT USE STATS AS A REPLY

RalanrDec 15, 20179 votes

Stats are the best way of getting information on a grand scale.

Personal experience is open to interpretation and can be tainted by bias. The most fair way to judge something is through stats as numbers are untainted by personal feelings.

To put it simply: you shouldn’t care what a high elo player says if there isn’t evidence presented to support it. That’s why Hash isn’t always taken seriously.

So if you’re going to say Riven is weak, that’s fine. But if you’re going to argue it as fact without factual evidence then you’re just hot air.

So let me ask: where is your information to back up your data? Which site are you using and how up to date is it?

McFatalDec 15, 20173 votes

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Stats are the best way of getting information on a grand scale.

Personal experience is open to experience and can be tainted by bias. The most fair way to judge something is through stats as numbers are untainted by personal feelings.

To put it simply: you shouldn’t care what a high elo player says if there isn’t evidence presented to support it. That’s why Hash isn’t always taken seriously.

So if you’re going to say Riven is weak, that’s fine. But if you’re going to argue it as fact without factual evidence then you’re just hot air.

So let me ask: where is your information to back up your data? Which site are you using and how up to date is it?

Hash isn’t high elo nor does he play riven.

I’ve been playing riven for 4 years exclusively and I myself can tell she’s in a bad spot

Stats don’t show how awful laning phase is and stats don’t show the teams she’s getting

In this specific aspect u saying the challenger riven mains are biased just shows u don’t want to be wrong and would rather just keep being ignorant

I get she has 50 percent win rate

I don’t care

She’s very depressing to play right now

RalanrDec 15, 20176 votes

Hash was an example that you’re misreading.

Thing is, stats do not care about your feelings. They do not care about the teams she gets or about her laning phase. That is why people take cold hard stats on these matters.

I can understand you not caring about stats. But the stats show that your complaints are just that, complaints.

If her winrate is around 50%, then she’s not weak. Your personal feelings do not matter here.

If you wanted to argue she’s weak on NA, you would be right and it’d be a much more interesting mystery as to why she’s weak on NA servers.

I suggest you take a break from the boards and cool off. You’re only angering yourself.

MetalGearTeemoDec 15, 20173 votes

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I’m honest to god tired of having to talk to u.

Please PLEASE go onto any riven main above diamonds profile add them and tell me what they think of riven.

GO ONTO THE 3 challenger riven streams and TELL me what they say.

Tanks DICK HER

ranged champs DICK HER

Peel F U C K S her She can’t do SHIT in team fights let alone lane against a tank

DO NOT USE STATS AS A REPLY

People who main character say character is weak Color me fucking surprised. its almost like they're blind their own advantages because they're a literal onetrick.

McFatalDec 15, 20172 votes

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People who main character say character is weak Color me fucking surprised. its almost like they're blind their own advantages because they're a literal onetrick.

Play riven once against an ornn or malphite and tell me how it goes.

Till then stay riding the sion main

MetalGearTeemoDec 16, 20174 votes

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Play riven once against an ornn or malphite and tell me how it goes.

Till then stay riding the sion main

WAAAAAH people aren't allowed to counterpick me. WAAAAAH my character should match up favorably against everything.

The mind of the riven main.

Troll for TrumpDec 15, 201715 votes

Got hit by a stray aoe -half hp Got hit by a full combo- Dead Got CC'd- dead

Smells like Zoe is afoot

On a serious note, Riot did heavily tone down dmg for a lot of classes this patch, and on the PBE as well. Looks like they're trying to do it incrementally to avoid causing any stagnating changes

GigglesODec 15, 20179 votes

Because having a patch where everything literally 1 shots you doesn't stagnate the game?

Troll for TrumpDec 15, 20173 votes

It does, that's why they're still doing it slowly, one step at a time, and being conscious. It's not easy to fix this problem in one patch.

You say everything one-shots, but look at fighters. These days, they're actually "one-shotting" LESS than they were before the rune changes.

If you saw the 7.24B PBE changes, there were a couple of other fighter changes (Grasp, Cleaver buff) that would increase the dmg output of all fighters. But they pulled that back. They could've added it in (Personally, I think they should've), but, to reduce the dmg in the game, they didn't.

GigglesODec 15, 20174 votes

You say everything one-shots, but look at fighters.

And that is why they aren't played. That is unless your name is Lee Sin.

RestinChinPieceDec 15, 201714 votes

A pal and I ran a Yasuo-Nami botlane. After killing each the Ashe and the Zoe once, at different times, we took the tower by 7 minutes, then pushed to the next bot tower and took that one after a complete ace at 9 minutes. Feels real, my guy.

PePsiLemoNNDec 15, 201713 votes

''I play badly and still want to win''

DarkRoosterDec 15, 201724 votes

Its not about that, its all again about game being decided by first 7 minutes.

Its simply boring to lose with no come back chances, and its boring to snowball win so much that it doesn't even feel like achievement, just another garbage match.

Dorans PantsDec 15, 201711 votes

i think there is a problem with low "time to kill" (ttk) in general regardless which game you play. Getting killed or killing someone in a blink of an eye, as hilarious as it may be sometimes, is overall a less entertaining experience, since the short timeframe doesn´t leave room for many inputs, neither on the attacker´s side nor on the of the defender. That doesn´t mean the defender should not lose a fight when behind, but at least raise the ttk to an extent where the defender can get the feeling that he actually did something or did something wrong (in that particular fight) and doesn´t get mowed over, because of exponential scaling. (at this point u might as well fight against bots, because of how litte interaction there is)

at least give the players the illusion of choice (real choices would be nice too) and not just the choice to feed or get fed.

GigglesODec 15, 20174 votes

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That doesn´t mean the defender should not lose a fight when behind, but at least raise the ttk to an extent where the defender can get the feeling that he actually did something or did something wrong (in that particular fight) and doesn´t get mowed over, because of exponential scaling. (at this point u might as well fight against bots, because of how litte interaction there is)

In previous seasons, especially season 1-3 assassins and burst mages (and the like) had to poke you to half hp before they could just ulti and finish you off. Now the poke is just to 80% hp.

DracosKasuDec 15, 20178 votes

There too much runes that scale on kill right now. That why when a kill happen it snowball way harder.

FunkynútDec 15, 20176 votes

Got first blooded won the game 39/4 :[

GigglesODec 15, 20178 votes

Is it sad that I want a gamemode that is literally "champions deal 25% less damage". I really would like it.

FunkynútDec 15, 20177 votes

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Is it sad that I want a gamemode that is literally "champions deal 25% less damage". I really would like it.

yeah but they should tone down AD domination 8+ AD base stats 11+ AD from runes + 10 lethality everytime u dash or something similar 4 sec cd 5 sec duration

Need Gold 4 TentDec 15, 20174 votes

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yeah but they should tone down AD domination 8+ AD base stats 11+ AD from runes + 10 lethality everytime u dash or something similar 4 sec cd 5 sec duration

That's pretty much giving a enemy a combination of a lethality and flat AD rune page on top of the base stat buffs. Any champ who takes impact will be using that dash to engage anyway so it's pretty much a permanent stat.

JackMcSnipeyzDec 15, 20174 votes

Nah, just learn to play from behind, i've had lots of games where i lost lane but instead of trying to fight i just took the safe route and farmed. If you get too low in lane, recall, or face the risks of getting CC'd and killed. Died twice in lane? Maybe change how you play because 2 times isnt somerthing to shrug off.

I'd be a lot more pissed if i won lane, played right, but the game was forgiving enough that my 0-2 enemy could fight me regardless and have a fair fight.

ApexInTheCircleDec 15, 201711 votes

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Nah, just learn to play from behind, i've had lots of games where i lost lane but instead of trying to fight i just took the safe route and farmed. If you get too low in lane, recall, or face the risks of getting CC'd and killed. Died twice in lane? Maybe change how you play because 2 times isnt somerthing to shrug off.

I'd be a lot more pissed if i won lane, played right, but the game was forgiving enough that my 0-2 enemy could fight me regardless and have a fair fight.

Dude, welcome to preseason, did you get hit by a stray cc from leona or thresh? Congrats you're almost 90% guaranteed to die at level 2. Right now damage is at an alltime high and needs to be lowered by AT LEAST 15% are the bare minimum.

JackMcSnipeyzDec 15, 20175 votes

That's why you have a support aswell to either peel, or engage the enemy adc. This isnt a 1v2 situation, leona and thresh are very predictable. And if you have a weaker lane match up? Stay back, lose a few CS but stay back. Yea leona is REALLY strong, but she isnt insta win by any means.

GigglesODec 15, 20172 votes

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And if you have a weaker lane match up? Stay back, lose a few CS but stay back.

You mean lose 50% of my cs, because getting into range of a champion that is stronger than mine level 1-6 means I deserve to auto die?

JackMcSnipeyzDec 15, 20174 votes

If you are THAT bad to the point you auto die once you step to cs, then yes by all means, STAY under tower. If you get killed you'll lose minions regardless.

No use arguing tho, you guys are just looking for excuses to blame why you fail.

GigglesODec 15, 20172 votes

Lol, you don't understand. Bronze is a different MMR than Diamond.

If all MMR's played more like diamond which is when the enemy steps up to cs you auto attack them, you would probably be asking for damage nerfs too. Most first bloods in my games happen around the 2 minute mark... That means that players are dying while csing the first or second wave of minions. There is nothing balanced about that.

It isn't even about failing. I MADE IT TO DIAMOND ON MORDE ADC. I didn't fail. I just don't find this game to be as fun as past seasons, because damage is miserably high.

JackMcSnipeyzDec 15, 20176 votes

Oh nice the bronze card. Sitting on plat 2 for 2 seasons, i was never in bronze, so lets take that card outta the arguement. If the enemy team picked lane bullies, then you should pay for getting caught. How is it fair that you can fuck up in lane and shrug it off like who cares? "The game isnt forgiving enough for my mistakes", if anything THAT is a bronze mentality, expecting to fail but have the game give you hand outs and participation medals.

If you die in the first 2 waves YOU fucked up, you either picked a fight you shouldnt have, or went a bit too greedy in lane.

So please, step off your HIGH ELO DIAMOND MMR horse

Rinký DinkyDec 16, 20172 votes

I like you you get downvoted for calling out these shitters crying about how they get punished for being bad at the game.

"Wahhh I died because I misplayed and the enemy took my turret :((((("

JackMcSnipeyzDec 16, 20173 votes

that's just the nature of the boards. People dont come here to find ways to get better, they come here to feel validated that hey fail. Why do people complain so much about champs they lose against? and when you give them tips or obvious weaknesses, they just shrug it off and say "lol another X main"

Rinký DinkyDec 16, 20173 votes

"I lost my silver V promos cus a malz ulted me nerf pls"

:((((

dariel111Dec 15, 20172 votes

dont tone down damage that feels terrible instead BUFF DEFENSE!

GigglesODec 15, 201712 votes

If we tone down damage, towers don't fall as fast, baron and dragon take longer to take. It would be better for damage to be toned down. If you buff champions defense, it tones down damage, but it keeps towers weaker, and jungle/objectives are still easier to take.

dariel111Dec 15, 20172 votes

I meant buff everything's defense not just champs. GIVE TOWERS MORE ARMOR GIVE BARON MORE ARMOR GIVE THE CHICKEN AND CHICKEN NUGGETS MORE ARMOR GIVE ARMOR MORE AMOUR