Zoe’s W needs to be looked at

jocomotion··4 votes·975 views

How is it fair that a champion in league can make summoner spells and item actives more powerful, have no cooldown on them, can steal them from enemies, and drop randomly off minions? Riot I love you guys, I really do, but that’s not ok. Let’s list the problems.

  • Zoe essentially makes summoner spells/item actives more effective then anyone else in the game since she gains a burst of movement speed and damage upon using them.

  • Zoe’s W has a .25 second cooldown so she can use immensely powerful abilities before the enemy gets to react

  • She lowers almost any risk in fair skirmishes since she can use your own summoners against you for an near immediate advantage.

I thought of a fix for at least some of the problems and t looks something like this

W: Spell thief

  • Cooldown between spell casts: from .25 seconds to 5 seconds at all ranks
  • Mana cost: from 0 to 50 mana at all ranks

Passive

  • [new] only the biggest: spell shards now only drop from Cannon minions, and enemy champions can see which minions have the balloon.
  • [nerf] Shard time: All Shards now disappear after 20 seconds of not being picked up, weather from a champion or a minion. (Currently champion shares last twice as long)

Active:

  • [new/buff] Zoe can now activate spell thief without shards, granting her the movespeed and damage.
  • [change] Picking up spell shards reduces the cooldown of spell thief by 30%
  • [nerf] Time zoe can hold onto a shard reduced from 60 seconds to 30 seconds

TL:DR: make Zoe’s W have a cooldown in exchange for it being a traditional spell, give her less time to use the shards and the choice on weather to replace a shard or keep a shard.

  • the fact that the balloon minions are less random and seen by enemies adds much needed counterplay

  • The fact that she can use spell thief without a shard grants her more safety, but at the expense of an actual cooldown

  • enemies Have an opportunity to use summoners freely if they see Zoe use W.

6 Comments

DuskDaUmbreon2 votes

???

Everyone can already see which one has the balloon. Making that change is impossible because it already happens.

Also, get over it. No champion is supposed to innately have stasis, but Bard and Lissandra do. No champion is supposed to block turrets, but Pantheon can. No champion is supposed to solo Baron, but Tryndamere Heimerdinger and a couple others can.

Champions have unique things. These unique things make them unique. You can't beat them at their unique thing, so what? Do you really expect to out-range a Kindred at 2 hours in? Or to out-dps a KogMaw? Maybe you expect to beat a Fiora Riven Jax or Nasus 1v1 in late-game? No, you don't. You accept that they'll win at it, because that's their unique thing.

So why does Zoe's W letting her use summoner spells aggravate you so much?

jocomotion1 votes

It doesn’t aggravate me, it’s not like I’m saying Zoe shouldn’t be able to use summoner spells, but the fact that she has such easy access to exploit this is my problem. I think the fact that she can steal summoners is really cool, but poorly implemented. It has no cooldown, no real drawback, and it’s super RNG in terms of minion balloons, there’s not much room for an enemy to play around a Zoe who gets lucky with Summoners. (Maybe read all the proposed changes before jumping to conclusions next time yeah?)

For example, imagine if Bard ultimate had no travel time and was an instant AOE Zhonya, or if Tryndamere could solo Barron faster than an entire enemy team.

Finally, I though enemies could only see when the shards dropped, not the balloons itself. I know allies can see the balloons, but are you certain enemies can as well?

DuskDaUmbreon1 votes

Yes, enemies can see the balloon...

Fízz v21 votes

[change] Zoe can now pick up a new spell shards even if she has a pre-existing one, causing the last shard to be discarded for the new one

You can already do that, you just need to actually click on the shard, not just walk over it like normally.

jocomotion1 votes

Huh, I straight up didn’t know that, thanks for the info.

I’ll fix that right away.

Call Me Nana1 votes

So there's a few things wrong here.

  1. enemies can see the balloons, allowing enemies to kite her away from picking up shards to begin with.
  2. you can already discard shards by right clicking the new shard in exchange for the old one.

You're also missing the fact that shes without an ability in her kit of no shards are present, this is why so much damage is frontloaded into her e q combo because if played properly, she goes a while (especially in laning phase) without the use of her w unless she forces her own summoner spells out.

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