Why are there still broken Champions?

Stormhawk23·Aug 15, 2017·4 votes·2,034 views

let me ask you a question Riot, and i hope you actually care enough to listen. Answer me this: Why the Hell do champions like and and stay broken while you're too busy focusing on making new champions. Yeah, its nice to get a new champion, but maybe you should take a bit of time and repair some of your champions that don't fit in your freaking guide line. Yi maybe fun to play but is frustrating at BEST to play against because he very quickly spirals out of control. Draven can get fed faster than any other character in the game because of his passive. tryndamere can chase people into their home base at level 6 and walk out smelling fresh as the roses on the side of the road! I want new champions as much as the next guy on the street but i also want to feel like i have a chance instead of getting thrown against every freaking player who plays a broken champ and who just LOVES to flash how Freaking good they are every time they get a kill! So answer me that riot! Answer me why you refuse to fix the more obviously broken champs! because in a game where characters are more and more SKILL based, they dominate because of a very distinct LACK of skill! And to all of you reading this, Tell me to get good and to kill myself all the Freak you want because I'm freaking done taking your freaking crap!!!

28 Comments

Critmaster GarenAug 15, 20172 votes

people are still complaining about yi?

the only time i hate seeing him is on my own team. champion is a bag of garbage.

Devilreaper XIIIAug 15, 20171 votes

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people are still complaining about yi?

the only time i hate seeing him is on my own team. champion is a bag of garbage.

yi regenerates too much health with his ability.... 3 people banging yi while he heals and he still doesnt die O.o unless you hard cc him with knock up or something.....

EschetonAug 16, 20171 votes

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yi regenerates too much health with his ability.... 3 people banging yi while he heals and he still doesnt die O.o unless you hard cc him with knock up or something.....

He gets damage reduction in that state. It's not the heal.

Devilreaper XIIIAug 17, 20171 votes

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He gets damage reduction in that state. It's not the heal.

to have both is too much O.O i'm just saying to remove the heal, but leave the reduc, without yi to stand still. right now its overkill, and yi has too much sustain. without the heal to it yi wouldnt survive XD

EschetonAug 17, 20171 votes

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to have both is too much O.O i'm just saying to remove the heal, but leave the reduc, without yi to stand still. right now its overkill, and yi has too much sustain. without the heal to it yi wouldnt survive XD

So you want Yi to just have 50-70% damage reduction for 4 seconds while ulting and killing people left and right?. I say it's fine currently,kinda like Zonyas. Sure, you are safe, but it sets you up for a bad situation

Devilreaper XIIIAug 18, 20171 votes

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So you want Yi to just have 50-70% damage reduction for 4 seconds while ulting and killing people left and right?. I say it's fine currently,kinda like Zonyas. Sure, you are safe, but it sets you up for a bad situation

ofcourse not i meant moving without abilities, ofcourse it would reset when yi activates his Q , they shouldn't work together, and would be pointless anyhow O.o since he can't be targetted anyways, as for his ult and the damage reduct yeah seems balanced, hard cc can still stop yi, and even just reduc can get yi killed because he wouldnt have sustain anymore, the cd should be tweaked a little in that case though.

JacobiUntamedMay 22, 20181 votes

Yi can have the survivabiliy if a tank while still being a hard hitting assassin, take away his tanky nature and make him an Assassin already!

JacobiUntamedMay 22, 20181 votes

Ha! Funny because any noob can pick him up and be good throughout a game (early, mid and late game)

HammermancerAug 15, 20172 votes

None of those champions are broken, you just gotta learn about counterplay

Tryndamere is a split pushing 1v1 machine, if you can't 1v1 him then don't, if you can burst him down you still need some hard cc to fight him, that is true, but many champions have similar things about them

Draven Is actually not that bad, he's an ADC so he does lots of damage, but you can kill him just as good as any other ADC, maybe you need double dance, maybe you need randuins+thorns, maybe you need to not be a mage, Idunnoo

MasterYi Is broken, but not in the way you think, he's weak imho, very rarely do I see a yi being a problem and I get matched against players from bronze to gold because i mostly play norms, theres a yi like every other game, Sometimes they kill a bunch of people who don't know how to fight them but that's about it

Now the issue with "Broken champs" as you'd put it, is that there are champions that are designed to be easier to play, which when their stats scale too hard, then you get an actual issue, we're currently seeing this with Chogath , and last year we had some issues with Malzahar , they usually don't last all that long and often times there are issues not with the champion but with the way the playerbase tries to counter them, I remember everyone complaining about Vladimir and all it took was some rather strange 3 item build on any ad champ to win, none of the items were particularly out of your way either, item 3156 item 3139 item 3033 basically invalidated him as a champion and made the other ap on his team also a lot weaker, and back then they did more damage so the MR overflow wasn't too bad.

Sometimes a broken champion just requires an extra item slot, my general philosophy is that if you know a champion well enough, you can find an item per enemy champion that each has synergy with eachother, and if possible they flow to make a perfect counterbuild, if you really know a champion and their itemization well enough, you can create a build that works for the majority of enemy comps that doesn't exist on mobafire. Assuming you're in solocarry mode, you should try that out.

HikageyaAug 15, 20171 votes

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None of those champions are broken, you just gotta learn about counterplay

is a split pushing 1v1 machine, if you can't 1v1 him then don't, if you can burst him down you still need some hard cc to fight him, that is true, but many champions have similar things about them

Is actually not that bad, he's an ADC so he does lots of damage, but you can kill him just as good as any other ADC, maybe you need double dance, maybe you need randuins+thorns, maybe you need to not be a mage, Idunnoo

Is broken, but not in the way you think, he's weak imho, very rarely do I see a yi being a problem and I get matched against players from bronze to gold because i mostly play norms, theres a yi like every other game, Sometimes they kill a bunch of people who don't know how to fight them but that's about it

Now the issue with "Broken champs" as you'd put it, is that there are champions that are designed to be easier to play, which when their stats scale too hard, then you get an actual issue, we're currently seeing this with , and last year we had some issues with , they usually don't last all that long and often times there are issues not with the champion but with the way the playerbase tries to counter them, I remember everyone complaining about and all it took was some rather strange 3 item build on any ad champ to win, none of the items were particularly out of your way either, basically invalidated him as a champion and made the other ap on his team also a lot weaker, and back then they did more damage so the MR overflow wasn't too bad.

Sometimes a broken champion just requires an extra item slot, my general philosophy is that if you know a champion well enough, you can find an item per enemy champion that each has synergy with eachother, and if possible they flow to make a perfect counterbuild, if you really know a champion and their itemization well enough, you can create a build that works for the majority of enemy comps that doesn't exist on mobafire. Assuming you're in solocarry mode, you should try that out.

You know draven has the highest winrate since 1 month? And before that it was because cath was higher, the only adc draven struggle against was cath, any other adc he has a winrate +50%

HammermancerAug 15, 20171 votes

So there are two approaches to having issues laning against something

first approach is: Learn counterplay, learn how to win the match, learn how to win 1v1's, and learn how to win teamfights, all when the enemy champion is present because it not only helps you with that one issue, it also helps you grow as a player

second approach is: cry to rito about the opop

GunpointAug 15, 20172 votes

troll thread

WzqdQsZwQAAug 15, 20171 votes

Riven insert broken joke in a broken champion complain thread

EschetonAug 15, 20171 votes

Because certain players only like to play broken champions. Likely these same players like to look stylish and buy skins. So they cater to the demographic. Also, what is broken in silver is easily managed in diamond usually.

That said. I just had a blast playing free week Draven in ARAM. And even though adc is my worst role, it makes me actually consider playing some more games botlane. I think low threshold champs like that have value due to it. Problem is just that if they aren't strong enough to compensate for my lack of skill in the role, I won't be having these considerations.

UnboundHadesAug 15, 20171 votes

once u included trynd i couldnt read anymore

Critmaster GarenAug 15, 20174 votes

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once u included trynd i couldnt read anymore

tryns entire kit is broken. not neccessarily overtuned, but its a really terrible champion kit.

HammermancerAug 15, 20171 votes

He's just the personafication of item 3046

Critmaster GarenAug 15, 20174 votes

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He's just the personafication of

no, its because of multiple mechanics in his kit being incredibly poorly designed, which creates equally toxic gameplay.

his early game revolves all around getting a cheese kill for getting a lucky crit streak on his opponent, snowballing off that one advantage to become impossible to deal with.

his mid to lategame is him being nothing but a splitpush bot and holding his lane opponent hostage.

JacobiUntamedMay 22, 20181 votes

Yea, no kidding, good late game, good mid game, op end game, totally not broken

VigilenteAug 15, 20171 votes

FYI Tryndamere can't dive a "home base"(fountain). Learn the champion before arguing about it

JacobiUntamedMay 22, 20181 votes

Um, I’ve seen it happen tons of times

420 gramsAug 15, 20171 votes

Are they actually op, or are you mad you lost one game to them?🤔

JacobiUntamedMay 22, 20181 votes

There’s only a select few that are in every game and always carry their team, they have a distinct advantage. For example, I was gangplank in a match and 2 levels higher than the other teams highest player. I still managed to fail 1v1s against ligit better champs. I had better items but they still kill me much faster because LoL likes to screw me over and nerf balanced champs instead of op ones. Btw, gangplank is balanced too and a good fighter, just can’t beat those op, broken champs, no matter how well I farm lane early and mid game. Also like the being up how broken S ranks are. I got an S for 6-5, 75 CS with Gnar but not with cho gath 28-0 and 150 CS.

thighbotAug 18, 20171 votes

lol

https://puu.sh/xd8Yo/ecee935ff4.jpg

Amphyland512Sep 17, 20171 votes

Um dude like if theyre broken tell me why theyre not in lcs... u litterally use a morgana q on yi and hes dead. Like legit just dont feed draven and hes dead. And for trynd, be proactive and do shit around the map that makes it 5v4 for ur team. He can get towers but ur team will push faster as (insert number of remainding ppl after teamfight ace) than one tryndamere...

TruelyTrueTruethOct 13, 20171 votes

ad champs in general are broken af compared to ap champs

i mean some ad champs abilities deal a shit ton of damage jsut like mages while there autos also be doing 200 - 300 damage they just auto us to death

JacobiUntamedMay 22, 20181 votes

I agree with Master Yi and tryndemerr but Draven is pretty balanced, I’d like to add lux, Jax and Darius to this list. Lux at least requires skill but the others are broken even with noobs using them