So you don't want Rengar to be able to oneshot anymore...well..

4EtQTKtcfT·Dec 29, 2015·7 votes·1,721 views

Why? Because that's literally all he can do now. I agree he's frustrating to deal with but...

He can't splitpush anymore like he could before he got reworked. His teamfighting is miserable. All he has left is his ability to kill someone.

He is an Assasin, just like Talon and Zed. Assasins are supposed to burst down the squishy, and get out. Even though he really doesn't have any escape abilities like Zed does, when he has jumped in, he's in.

Also, watch his build. If it looks something like this I'm pretty sure many champions could burst an ADC down with no defensive items. Talon for example.

When you face an Annie with her stun and ult up, you don't want to group right? Doesn't in work in the same way for Rengar, but the opposite. You don't want to walk alone, or he will come and hunt you down.

23 Comments

Sneakyy XDDec 29, 20157 votes

Champions can be good without the ability to one-shot.

4EtQTKtcfTDec 29, 20153 votes

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Champions can be good without the ability to one-shot.

But Rengar isn't. He has literally nothing but his oneshot.

Sneakyy XDDec 29, 20151 votes

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But Rengar isn't. He has literally nothing but his oneshot.

Rengar is immutable?

Timely VoidlingDec 29, 20154 votes

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RalanrDec 29, 20153 votes

Welcome to my view on assassins.

DrCyanideDec 29, 20151 votes

And the ones that can't one shot you are considered on the weak side of things.

4EtQTKtcfTDec 29, 20151 votes

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Then rework him perhaps?

If a champion is entirely reliant on 1 shotting a person with next to no counterplay in order to remain viable in a strategy game then doesn't that raise a few red flags about the champions overall mechanical health?

I would be up for it. But he wont be anywhere near getting a rework anytime soon

Hayaishi2Dec 29, 20153 votes

Then he needs a rework.

ChroudDec 29, 20153 votes

People always think how do I counter Rengar champ wise.

Why not ward more? YOu dont have to ward that deep as Rengard typically ults when hes semi close to the lane hes ganking.

But wards cost more not fair.

Not really if your facing somone with high AD or high AP you build things like Quicksilver sash or more armor. Wards have the same effect in you living.

Aeolian MelodiesDec 30, 20151 votes

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People always think how do I counter Rengar champ wise.

Why not ward more? YOu dont have to ward that deep as Rengard typically ults when hes semi close to the lane hes ganking.

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ChangelingDec 29, 20152 votes

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Aeolian MelodiesDec 29, 20151 votes

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Why? Because that's literally all he can do now. I agree he's frustrating to deal with but...

He can't splitpush anymore like he could before he got reworked. His teamfighting is miserable. All he has left is his ability to kill someone.

He is an Assasin, just like Talon and Zed. Assasins are supposed to burst down the squishy, and get out. Even though he really doesn't have any escape abilities like Zed does, when he has jumped in, he's in.

Also, watch his build. If it looks something like this I'm pretty sure many champions could burst an ADC down with no defensive items. Talon for example.

I don't think people are complaining about his burst, per say. I agree he should have strong 1v1 burst because that's what he does.

Most of the complains I've seen are about how unfair he is because he does not give you a fair warning. There's no counter to him jumping out of stealth to rape you because you can no longer detect him outside of a quick item 2043 which costs an item slot to whoever is carrying it. The exclamation mark isn't a "fair warning" at all due to item 3142 , imo how quickly the mark appears should scale with his MS.

DrakusatheonDec 29, 20153 votes

There may be no "fair warning" from a distance that you are being stalked, but you can help to allay the issue partially by using the buddy-system, similarly to what the OP suggested. Don't be alone if you can help it, especially if you're low health or if Rengar is doing well.

Trying playing Rengar when everyone is being super careful and using good sense and cooperation. It's painful.

SpecterVonBarenDec 29, 20152 votes

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There may be no "fair warning" from a distance that you are being stalked, but you can help to allay the issue partially by using the buddy-system,

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Having someone with you doesn't mean shit. Even a Tahm that eats someone as soon as he sees Rengar jump out can fail to save them in the time it takes for Rengar to burst them down.

Aeolian MelodiesDec 30, 20151 votes

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There may be no "fair warning" from a distance that you are being stalked, but you can help to allay the issue partially by using the buddy-system, similarly to what the OP suggested. Don't be alone if you can help it, especially if you're low health or if Rengar is doing well.

Trying playing Rengar when everyone is being super careful and using good sense and cooperation. It's painful.

You are asking for the cooperation of 4 other people which even in coordinated play isn't exactly practical. Even in a 5 men premade I won't ask or expect my team to follow me around as I ward our jungle where Rengar might be lurking.

The exclamation mark needs to serve its purpose as a FAIR warning and/or Oracle alteration needs to grant true sight again.

Sona PingDec 29, 20151 votes

Or perhaps, remove his MS boosts.... For a "Pridestalker", he does no stalking at all.

cuddlykitten4Dec 29, 20153 votes

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I don't think people are complaining about his burst, per say. I agree he should have strong 1v1 burst because that's what he does.

Most of the complains I've seen are about how unfair he is because he does not give you a fair warning. There's no counter to him jumping out of stealth to rape you because you can no longer detect him outside of a quick which costs an item slot to whoever is carrying it. The exclamation mark isn't a "fair warning" at all due to , imo how quickly the mark appears should scale with his MS.

The exclamation point is excelent warning. No one else triggers one, like say eve or twitch, so when it happens you know it's rengo in a bush. Walk away from the bush adn be ready to drop all your skills on top of yourself. If you time it right (assuming your champ has locale target abilities or skillshots then you should slam him in mid jump or as he gets to you. No, this does not always work. No, you won't always stop him. No, you won't always be able to get away in time. Turns out you can't always stop a Veigar from one shotting you, you can't always stop a Morgana from stunlocking you, and you can't always stop a Nasus from stacking off of you until he's the embodiment of Cerberus. However, understanding that he's in the game gives you the opportunity to safeguard yourself. Such as instead of warding the bushes, ward the far side of the bush so you see him before he gets near you. By the time he enters the bush you've already seen him and evacuated to a safe distance. Sometimes the best counterplay is to never let a play begin. I do think he's fine as far as it goes since i've never seen one do anything other than bush jump people. Every champ has a middle finger that they'll give you in the right situation.

TekkenPlayerDec 29, 20151 votes

no they just need to stop him from doing multiple abilities in mid air, he is fine but to oneshot without any counterplay whatsoever without some madlife cc predictions or a pink is unhealthy.

Either that or buff the distance of the exclamation mark because usually it only takes 1 to 1.5 seconds of warning until Rengar one-shots someone.

YuGiHoDec 29, 20151 votes

all of what this guy is saying but Evelynn . buff eve 2016

PennsDec 29, 20151 votes

Tbh, when Im playing Vayne I dont consider Rengar to be one of those champions that have "no counterplay". At least I can farm bot and if I time it right I can stealth as soon as he jumps on me and kite him (unless he crits me lol). Thats only with Vayne tho..

Pasta Help DeskDec 29, 20151 votes

Rengar being able to one shot squishy targets and be an assassin is perfectly fine. The thing everyone has a problem with is the way Rengar does it. You have youtube videos out there of Rengar blowing up a sqishy target in less that .5 and in some cases .001 seconds! Those videos aren't out of the ordinary either they are the normal for Rengar. So where is the counter play in that? There are plenty of other chaps in this game that can 0-100 you but they aren't doing it in under .5 seconds. They give you a chance to react. Rengars combo to 1 shot doesn't offer that chance because there isn't a reaction time to be had in 99% of rengar 1 shot situations. So I guess if that is the only thing Rengar has going for him then he needs a complete and total re work

Sightless66Dec 29, 20151 votes

One shoting is fine. Extremely high reliability when even slightly ahead is not. I don'the mind watching an adc get instagibbed, but I do mind when the instagibbed happens easily no matter how protected he is, and that is a point Rengar can reach much easier than other champions. Lower the reliability and increase literally anything else (even increase his damage), and he will be much less annoying.