"Compensation buffs"

Bârd·Mar 16, 2015·77 votes·3,983 views

Before its removal, DFG was core on both and . However, since it has been removed, only veigar has recieved his compensation buffs!!!! This is an outrage, leblanc can hardly stand on her own feet without dfg. I move that riot puts leblanc back into the game with some drastic buffs, such as making her q a skillshot, lowering the ap ratios on the jump, and adding a .75 second delay on her chains.

Oh, but dont worry about this hurting leblancs gameplay. They would totally clean up her auto attack to make sure the counterplay doesnt hurt her too much.

seriously though.

With the removal of veigar from the game, I had no idea what to pick against leblanc.

so I searched the internet.

Galio and Morekaiser.

Seriously?

THOSE guys are my only hope against this solo queqe monster?

74 Comments

Kitten of EvilMar 16, 201535 votes

Trick question. In solo queue you're screwed no matter what, because even if you win lane, she'll just roam bot for the free double kills (even if you ping MIA)

SorasMemoriesMar 16, 20152 votes

True story

YfrappefortMar 16, 201517 votes

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Trick question. In solo queue you're screwed no matter what, because even if you win lane, she'll just roam bot for the free double kills (even if you ping MIA)

You mean exactly like Katarina ?

JunkοMar 16, 20154 votes

And Akali, even after her nerfs

Ancestor007Mar 16, 20151 votes

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InSingedWeTrustMar 16, 20155 votes

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She only gets them in bronze, silver and early gold. After that, not so much...

Nope, just finished a ranked game as Galio vs LB.. she was 0/2 in lane... ended the game with 20/5. They lost, but she as single handedly carrying. Everytime I pinged AS SHE LEFT LANE IN THE DIRECTION SHE WAS GOING... DOUBLE KILL

Kitten of EvilMar 16, 20152 votes

Exactly like all assassins, which is why they're seen/banned all the time in solo queue.

DepóngoMar 16, 20151 votes

Well why don't you just chase her bot and counter gank?

PæanMar 16, 20152 votes

Galio cant jump a screen away instantly and isn't the lightest on his feet. But yeah, you should be following the enemy laner or making them pay for it in some other way, lost experience, lost tower, or otherwise.

SammystormMar 16, 20152 votes

you can always run tp.

PæanMar 16, 20152 votes

True, and sometimes I do if im mid and not an assassin or if toplane doesn't have tp.

Only downside is then LB would have even more kill pressure over you in lane because she has an offensive summoner and you don't.

SammystormMar 16, 20151 votes

yes but we are going to assume that you are a better player than Le Blanc. So you won't feed her and than you can counter roam very easily when she leaves lane.

PæanMar 16, 20152 votes

Haha, yup, let's do that. It's so frustrating when you are beating an assassin in lane and they just roam around for a couple minutes and despite your efforts and pings your team feeds them.

DepóngoMar 16, 20151 votes

Yeah, you're right. Before I used to just ping my bot lane when the enemy gets missing in lane and just continue pushing and farming. But in some lower elos, people won't watch out until the danger is right in their face...Even if they stay to tower, LeBlanc can tower dive from behind if she is capable of doing so. Thus, these days I just roam with the enemy mid laner and try to gank him/her and the enemies on the same lane. Afterwords, I push the lane when with my allies or defend the tower, depending on the outcome of the battle.

TotalJerkMar 17, 20151 votes

Running TP mid?

SammystormMar 17, 20152 votes

Yes for immobile mages that already have a huge kill presence it is great to counter roam.

Kitten of EvilMar 16, 20151 votes

I usually prefer to push the lane hard and make her come back to no tower, though now that towers give less team gold that might not be as great a strategy.

DepóngoMar 16, 20151 votes

Well, I personally prefer coming bot anyway. If the enemy mid laner goes bot, I go after him/her and win bot with my allies, we'll be able to push the bot turret.

If I lose the battle (depends a lot on the situation) I'll retreat to the turret and save it with my teammates. If we win we get a free tower on bot lane and secure some kills. Either I win a lot or lose less than what I could've lost. The mid turrets usually get pushed out in mid and late game, so having an opportunity to push one early shouldn't come when the enemy's roaming poses a threat. Roaming is probably the best way to snowball an entire game. So I often do it whenever I get the chance to secure different objectives.

AudiomancyMar 16, 201518 votes

If her Chains had a 0.75s delay they would actually be 50% faster.

TonguePunchBoxMar 16, 20151 votes

Pretty sure he was saying delay before they throw, not before they root.

Malix FarwinMar 16, 20158 votes

Her real counter is banning phase

VerxintMar 16, 20157 votes

On a serious note, before Riot does any real changes to LeBlanc, they need to fix that incredibly broken E hitbox. It's way too easy to hit. And I'm saying this as a LB player.

BârdMar 16, 20153 votes

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On a serious note, before Riot does any real changes to LeBlanc, they need to fix that incredibly broken E hitbox. It's way too easy to hit. And I'm saying this as a LB player.

Darius E Q on iBlitzcrank TwistedFate Q on underworld

Hitboxes are not riots priority

Meanie40Mar 17, 20153 votes

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E Q on iBlitzcrank Q on underworld

Hitboxes are not riots priority

Q on Morgana as well.

Photos of GhostsMar 17, 20151 votes

Lux R Five man ult? Aaaand it's a wiff. Whoops I screwed? Hey, cool, double kill, blue buff and baron!

Yuki AkumaMar 16, 20156 votes

Morgana Lulu Chogath

j jMar 16, 20153 votes

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All of which get out roamed by leblanc gg.

ShaabanglyyMar 16, 20153 votes

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Gosh yessssss. Chogath is such a strong counter to LB its silly haha

Photos of GhostsMar 17, 20151 votes

But like Katarina then she roams, has a gapcloser, gets a double bot as you follow and the game is over.

ShaabanglyyMar 17, 20151 votes

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But like then she roams, has a gapcloser, gets a double bot as you follow and the game is over.

You just have to make it idiot proof for your botlane. Ping EVERY mia. Also, putting a pink ward in your botside river brush pays HUGE dividends in low elo especially. People just don't check that little bush. It gives your laners a heads up if she is moving bot though river. The tribush at the botlane is a little more problematic because you cant ideal ward it yourself because its too far away. Additonally, my general rule of thumb is if I am mid lane and my laner is missing, if I cant take the tower, I am just going to head bot lane as 9 out of 10 times that's where their mid laner is along with probably their jungle and they are going to need all the help they can get.

Hard PenetratorMar 16, 20155 votes

A good Malzahar is a really strong pick against LB because he can easily lock her down with silence and ult. Yes its hard to silence her quickest combo while you are in the middle of your lane but she can't harass you in turret range, she can't cut your farm off and she can't just leash you waiting for dmg while having her W ready to jump out.

Also Malza can build a little bit more tanky than other mages thanks to his AOE %hp dmg and really good ratios.

But lets be real, its hard to find good Malzahar.

acepil0tMar 16, 20151 votes

Seems like all the Malzahars I face just spam their void aids on the wave and go do ~~wraiths~~ raptors or something. So IDK what makes a good Malzahar.

Hard PenetratorMar 16, 20151 votes

I always check Malza players for:

AA poisoned targets to get mana refund.
Effective use of his Voidlings.
Fast and Fluent combos.
Using his double dmg on Q when possible.
Good roams when ult up.
Knowledge how much dmg he can dish.
Defensive play only when forced by a jungler.

If he is doing all those things you should probably watch out and build QQS before 45 mins in the game.

Photos of GhostsMar 17, 20151 votes

and 2. AD Malzahar schooled me

LankPantsMar 16, 20153 votes

Personally I'd prefer to see the .75 second delay on her jump, complete with a warning particle.

Jarrito232Mar 16, 20153 votes

Le Blanc. Thats who we are going to complain about now. Great. Even though she is perfectly balanced, you want to nerf her. Le Blanc might be able to 100-0 you, but thats all she can do. Have you seen her team fighting potential? Because it is really sad.

GorillazNtheMystMar 16, 20152 votes

Right, but LB isn't meant to be a big team fighter. She's an assassin mage, intended to nullify one or two targets per fight.

Jarrito232Mar 16, 20151 votes

Right that is her weakness. When there is a teamfight she gets deleted immediately.

acepil0tMar 16, 20153 votes

A good LB is basically uncatchable though.

Jarrito232Mar 16, 20151 votes

This is true. Le Blanc has got to be one of the most slippery champs. That makes her a good assassin.

PerishSoftlyMar 16, 20152 votes

what? her ability to root people? Her ability to delete the carry and essentially win the fight at the start? Her ability to draw aggro and dodge CC? Her ability to leave visual range and force the enemy to play cautiously?

She has great teamfight, it's just not in the form of a hard CC multi-target ultimate.

Jarrito232Mar 16, 20153 votes

You have to isolate the carry if you want to kill them. If you try to run into a teamfight as Le Blanc then you will get deleted. She is pure damage all squish.

acepil0tMar 16, 20153 votes

If she gets her distortion and mimic both on 3 or more people its basically gg even if she dies half a second later.

Photos of GhostsMar 17, 20151 votes

AP carry dying to kill ADC is a good trade. Always.

Curling VeigarMar 16, 20151 votes

try ccing her

works for me and i play veigar like 24/7

Zone of EndlessMar 16, 20155 votes

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try ccing her

works for me and i play veigar like 24/7

Ahhhh

The "just CC X" argument.

Kalista does too much damage with rend? Kill her before she can press E.

Nid spear too much damage? Dodge it.

TotalJerkMar 17, 20153 votes

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Nid spear too much damage? Dodge it.

That's actually fair advice. The missile speed on the spear is uber slow. The problem is that dodging a skillshot requires a player's attention which removes their ability to focus on other things, the punishment for not giving that attention is grossly disproportionate to the cost on Nidalee's part. The cost and cooldown on the spear is so low that she can just spam the fuck out of it until she eventually catches SOMEONE sleeping. Yeah you can just dodge one, but dodging one every six fucking seconds?

Zone of EndlessMar 17, 20151 votes

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That's actually fair advice. The missile speed on the spear is uber slow. The problem is that dodging a skillshot requires a player's attention which removes their ability to focus on other things, the punishment for not giving that attention is grossly disproportionate to the cost on Nidalee's part. The cost and cooldown on the spear is so low that she can just spam the fuck out of it until she eventually catches SOMEONE sleeping. Yeah you can just dodge one, but dodging one every six fucking seconds?

Which is exactly my point. You can't dodge all the Nid's spear

Especially when some of them are invisible

Ornn Star XXXMar 16, 20151 votes

Nerfs are already on PBE.

Le Blanc Mimic (R) Mimicked Sigil of Malice AP ratio lowered to .6 from .65 Mimicked Distortion AP Ratio lowered to .9 from .975 Mimicked Ethereal Chains AP ratio lowered to .6 from .65