Thresh is at a 34% pick rate

Personally, I would like thresh to gain MR instead of AP from souls (Who builds thresh ap, exactly?) of course, he doesnt NEED changes.

I do not miss Karma, as I still play her today I miss Sona as an AP mid (the short window when her passive scaled with AP AND doubled damage when you procced it with Q) I miss taric as a toplane menace (Awwww yeah manamune iceborne swag)

Well, what do you expect? In this meta people throw as many easy tank/bruiser champs in as many lanes as they can for easier wins. Thresh actually requires quite a bit of skill to play properly though. However, his kit is utility that other supports can't compete with. He has a grab that he can use to initiate, he can pull teammates towards him with his lantern,he has a slow/knock-up that is easily chain-able with his other abilities (didn't even notice the pun but I'm keeping it), and a 99% slow that can proc 5 times. His kit is all the peel and initiate that people want on a support but only because that would be overpowered and give them a lot more influence over the game than any other champ. I'm not really complaining that thresh is OP, I just want to see a bit more variety in supports.

agreed, except for karma. I've played her and she is anything but weak

Build Sona with ap and it still works out.

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I'd honestly rather not see him get nerfed. Instead, I'd like to see other supports get raised closer to his level.

Look, man, I really miss

Sona needs some power adjustments and Taric is getting a Sion level rework. From what I heard Karma was in a EU LCS match and won.

Which he already got multiple times.

Why exactly is he overdue for nerfs? He's one of the few champions in the game who requires a high level of skill to play properly. If he is carrying his team to that big V, then it's on the merit of his summoner's skill and nothing else. Alistar, Bard, Braum, Nautilus and Nunu are all just as strong in the support role, imo. I think you're misplacing your frustrations on how inadequate AP supports are compared to tanky supports.

I will concede that he out-classes many other supports, but that is only because a lot of those supports fall off once the laning phase ends and that is where Thresh really starts to shine. Thresh was built to win games and he synergizes with the new changes to Talisman, Righteous Glory and the utility tree masteries much better than the other supports because he was built to function solely on MS, HP and CDR (all very cheap stats). AP supports don't want to buy Talisman or Righteous Glory and those items are just too important in helping your team engage or disengage. There's a reason Sivir is basically 100% pick/ban in competitive. I'd rather see them buff the other supports and support items before they nerf Thresh. He's in a really good place as it stands.

How is thresh's kit any better than ? Counting his hook thresh has 2 displacement abilities, 2 slows, small damage amp for poke and a tool that pulls a teammate to him. Naut has 2 displacements (one of which is undodgeable), a root, a slow, a damage amp that helps his all-in engage, and a shield that is actually noticeable and gives him innate tankiness, a stat thresh lacks until he gets a lot of souls.

Both can use their hooks as an engagement tool or as an escape. Both can use their slows as either part of their engagement lockdown or as a disengage tool.

The main difference is that Naut can lock a target down for longer and more reliably, whereas thresh can provide his team with a bit more mobility with his lantern. This makes thresh get picked more often because mobility is always somewhat useful, whereas more lockdown is a lot more useful sometimes, and less useful at others. This all highlights why thresh is the way he is. He is never a bad pick, but he is rarely the best one, and his stats show it because although he has 34% pick rate, his winrate is always at around 50% or below, whereas Naut has had a 10% pick rate and above a 50% win rate for awhile (5.8 is the farthest back I bothered to look stats up for).

that's how a support should be, he should be able to 1v1 a carry in early game. AND that's why other supports sucks, because sona'dmg got nerfed taric can do nothing and braum's dmg got nerfed (passive and Q).

thresh is fine as you can see his win rate isn't above 50%. And when i play against him i always outplay him.

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Thresh just needs a nerf to his damage. He does WAY too much for the insane amount of utility he has in his kit.

I don't see why people are downvoting you, He Does do way too much damage for the amount of utility in his kit, but that's his strength that sets him apart from other utility supports like blitzcrank and leona.. oh wait. Nevermind they do way too much damage too xD. Ok nevermind that, I feel what sets thresh apart and what gives him his good utility and damage is because of his passive. his ap given from his passive lategame while building full tank is what gives him his edge. Make the ap give .5 from each soul and buff armor to .8 if you want to just try to balance around his passive. not his ratios

At least he's melee

Nope, he has range and can poke.

But hey, at least he has to last hit properly to proc relic shield, he can't execute with it... except the passive on his E makes it easier.

;~;

He really doesn't do that much damage by himself, he depends on someone else doing it. Try to finish off someone at 10% hp sometime, you'll be surprised. He is quite squishy until he builds a bunch of items, which will take a long time, because he's a support. Although he is ranged, he's quite short ranged. His hook is slower than Blitz's, and can't pull the enemy all the way to you (you can go to THEM but that's much riskier for you and not as bad for them).

I think that's a great comparison.

Yea, but once things become common enough, players naturally will move toward the champions that are strong against it. For Thresh to maintain a 50% winrate with such a high pickrate means a lot more than a lesser-played support having that same 50% winrate. I think his flexibility is a large part of it, but I also think he's too strong at too many things rather than excelling in a niche like other supports do.