botane diversity concept

Bârd··2 votes·799 views

In toplane, we have fighters, tanks, a couple marksmen, and a few durable mages In midlane, we have mostly mages and assassins In the jungle, we have pretty much anyone who can not die while clearing In support, we have tanks, healers, and the occasional full AP "support"

The 5th role is ADC. It is comprised of Marksmen and Mordekaiser.

Botlane carry role concepts, with champions that could fit the theme (in some cases, after some changes to their kits)

Marksman Reliable high damage from long range. Cait, Jinx, MF.

Scout Reliable high damage from short range, but coupled with mobility. Scouts will generally outdamage Marksman. Vayne, Kalista, Quinn, Teemo

Magus Long ranged, low mobility (but not necessarily immobile) mages with high damage. They tend to be skill shot based. Vel'Koz, Xerath, Karma, Azir.

Runners Melee carries who have low CC, but deal devastating damage to anyone they get on while having some means to remain alive in their kit. Mordekaiser, Master Yi, Tryndamere.

Enchanters A true carry support. While they deal less damage than any of the above roles, or at least need help to get it off, any allies near them will be turned into living gods by the buffs they provide, possibly to the extent of your teams regular support be a major damage source. Strictly speaking, not a carry role, but hey. I like to support my support so he can support like a real support. If it turns out that it was a bad idea for a given game, you can switch to being a regular support later in champion select. Janna, Zilean, Sona, Taric

Let us return to the season 1 meta, where EVERYTHING was a thing. Janna Thresh Zilean Leona MasterYi Zilean Velkoz Morgana

13 Comments

Shroom Junkie1 votes

ADC will never be diverse because its the ADC. Attack Damage Carry. The squishy guy in the back that you peel like an orange and deals consistant AD damage to help in team fights and take towers faster without being harassed and bursted easily because they're melee.

euJHINius1 votes

I think thats why ADCs are having trouble in the current meta. Most ADCs are shit early and require so much farm and peel for them to be useful later on, it just makes the whole game focused on who can get the ADC fed.

Ralanr1 votes

I my experience (I play norms so it's very little) I barely get fed with Sivir and she's still good lategame. Sure I can't get kills, but her W makes enough problems in teamfights to be useful.

Bârd1 votes

ADC will not be diversified, correct.

But if botlane carries that WEREN'T ADC's were encouraged, then we can see some change happen.

Mordekaiser could be the start of a new thing (Except hopefully less broken)

ProfDrDeath1 votes

The problem is, anything that replaces ADCs in the duo lane will almost always be broken by definition. Why?

Because said thing NEEDS a way to work with less XP than a solo laner, while still being strong enough. The reason ranged auto-attack damage dealers are sent to the duo lane is because their safety and damage does not depend as much on additional levels as the safety of melees (tankiness from levels) or damage of ability-focused champions (base damage from ranks in abilities).

Juggerkaiser gets around this XP problem by virtue of the W passive that grants him regular XP for minions he kills, and thus keeps his power more close to the one of solo laners. Plus, as an ability-focused champion, he can use the power he gets from additional levels over his opponent to crush said opponent with his higher bases.

Bârd1 votes

Not inherently.

It could just be something like an "enchanter" class: a champion type who exists to make its allies much more powerful, but is lacking in self power and needs the gold influx of a carry to be effective. This type of champion would need to either be played in a duo lane or just farm under tower in mid.

A carry that sacrifices having damage of its own in order to up the damage of all its freinds.

"I may deal no damage, but Leona is fucking invincible now, Teemo has all the attack speed he could want, and Nasus is outrunning their Zilean."

MegamanEXE791 votes

Basically more of Lulu

Ralanr1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The True Bard,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZajXfrFp,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-10-22T23:54:46.385+0000) Let us return to the season 1 meta, where EVERYTHING was a thing.

This is my dream but it probably will never happen.

BluePolarizer1 votes

Short ranged ADC (marksmen-assassins) and long range artillery ADCs are already quite distinct from each other and play in very different ways. Peeling for Vayne or Lucian often consists of engaging and letting Vayne do her thing in the chaos, while peeling for Jinx, Cait or Kog is literally forming a wall for them to siege from.

What should be encouraged is diversifying builds such that short range and long range ADCs have to build DIFFERENTLY.

Aeolian Melodies1 votes

Let us return to the season 1 meta, where EVERYTHING was a thing. Janna Thresh Zilean Leona MasterYi Zilean Velkoz Morgana

You didn't watch the S1 worlds, did you?

Bot lanes were

Janna + Ashe vs Sona + Corki EVERY TIME unless Ashe got banned.

Bârd1 votes

In worlds? Yes.

But for a while, double bruiser botlane was a legitimate thing.

This type of thing would open up that and more.

Aeolian Melodies1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The True Bard,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZajXfrFp,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2015-10-23T04:35:29.167+0000)

In worlds? Yes.

But for a while, double bruiser botlane was a legitimate thing.

This type of thing would open up that and more.

For casuals players? Sure. And it still is for casual players.

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

I agree, I'd rather play seasons 1 & 2

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