She is worse than Annie and pre-nerfs LeBlanc rolled into one champion. This cancerous true damage massive attack speed and lifesteal using supposedly balanced adc is RIDICULOUS. Take away the true damage and make it magic damage.
bad manner kid3 votesPeople tend to leave out that she goes un-targetable (invisible) and has a long ass stun that allows her to kill anyone once it lands.
The %hp true damage is really just her identity as a "short range" adc.
Strat1 voteslol that's not the definition of untargetable. FYI you can use a pink ward or a sweeper to keep her visible and attackable. That doesn't work with Fizz or Yi who literally become untargetable. As for her stun, well, don't stand next to walls dummie. Plenty of counterplay vs Vayne, it's like the Akali matchup.
bad manner kid1 voteslol that's not the definition of untargetable. FYI you can use a pink ward or a sweeper to keep her visible and attackable. That doesn't work with Fizz or Yi who literally become untargetable. As for her stun, well, don't stand next to walls dummie. Plenty of counterplay vs Vayne, it's like the Akali matchup.
You have like 0.25 seconds before she rolls at an angle to stun you. Dropping a pink ward is like saying, "Hah look I used counter-play! Oh wait I'm dead and just fed her 30g."
The idea that you're going to scan/pink ward is a joke. In 90% of situations involving Vayne ult+Qing to duel, you will be unable to act until after she initiates.
I agree that in the rare case she doesn't have a fast initiate on you, scanning where she rolled could allow you to get the first auto attack in the duel, but that's about it...
Strat1 votesThe idea that you're going to scan/pink ward is a joke
That's funny, since challenger players do this all the time. As soon as you hear the ult sound, you scan/put down the ward. I'm talking upgraded pink ward trinket or upgraded sweeper here.
scanning where she rolled
No you don't need to scan where she rolled. Upgraded scanner literally gives you stealth vision EVERYWHERE around you for TEN SECONDS.
Marthian1 votesOh wait I'm dead and just fed her 30g."
That says more about you than it does her. Revealing her gives lets you beat up on her, and if she chooses to kill the pink when you spawn it, she just killed herself. If you can't kill her even with vision, then you probably weren't going to win anyways.
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bad manner kid1 votes"As for her stun, well, don't stand next to walls dummie."
You forgot to mention the fact that her condemn range is so forgiving you don't even need to be near a wall to get stunned.
My personal favorite is Quinn E'ing her and getting condemned as if you were at your start point, you are literally left next to her stunned. #ForgottenChampions
Strat1 votesUh yeah, you do. Sorry if you can't do geometry, but it's not hard to make sure the straight line between you and Vayne doesn't contact a wall.
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Strat1 votesI'm pretty sure most other champions in the game have a lot of mobility too.
Lord Dusteon2 votesExcept AS slows, focusing her, not getting hit three times, forcing her to change targets, or just ignoring the true damage as she'll kill you with her normal autoattacks before the true damage has done much.
Apex Liar1 votesL O FUCKING L
TheSkillist1 votesthis is new . it's not riven this time. lol not to flame but you must be bronze - silver.
ilt1 votesVayne players counterplay themselves. Have you how many bad Vayne players there are??
Drunk Zetsubou1 votesJust build a lot of armor and health it'll take longer for her to kill you. Beat her in lane as her early game is really weak unless you just sat there letting her farm or just free auto attacking you lol. Pick on her lane, focus her with CC in teamfights.
Mr Broken Wings1 votesSilver thread, talking about "counterplay" on a spell that just triggers if the enemy can attack you 3 times. First time gameplay and balance doesnt upvote a silver opinion, and that already shows HOW dumb this thread is.
EndlessSorcerer1 votesAt least some of the people begging for nerfs try to justify their arguments.
This is just sad.
Powderkegg1 votesk
Wiggle Dat Butt1 votesGlad everyone shares my opinion that this chick needs to be nerfed hard as hell, today.
