Does it bother anyone else, when people are extremely useless at beginning of game?

Wiggle Dat Butt··56 votes·3,836 views

I don't know what it is but it really bothers me when I get into a game and people are afk, eating Cheetos and french onion dip, take minute and a half to get out of our base allowing so much time for possible invades.

When I'm mid I always go and ward the river immediately at 35-38 seconds to allow vision if they do try to come steal from there. If I'm bot I always go and ward the tribush immediately to see that path if they are coming that way (blue side on this one). If I'm top, I go and watch either the blue/red buff and ward it for the jungler around 1:25-1:30 if no one comes.

I feel like this is essential to starting the game off correctly instead of giving out those silly first bloods and 4 assists to people who are invading as a group. It happens almost every game and I'm not fantastic but around Plat 4 and it still happens almost every game.

tl:dr; Why can't people help out their jungle a little bit and possibly prevent their team from getting killed within the first 2 minutes by just using a ward?

46 Comments

EndlessSorcerer13 votes

It can be quite annoying when people AFK in base or under their tower. There have been so many free kills, invading, or buff-stealing opportunities lost.

It can be especially annoying when the champion who AFKs is very strong at level 1 invades such as Morgana, Thresh, or Blitzcrank.

High57 votes

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It can be quite annoying when people AFK in base or under their tower. There have been so many free kills, invading, or buff-stealing opportunities lost.

It can be especially annoying when the champion who AFKs is very strong at level 1 invades such as Morgana, Thresh, or Blitzcrank.

I agree, there are other mobas where you don't need to play the entire time to win. LoL is not one of those games.

Anidan1 votes

There are? MOBA is not a genre as a whole that wants you to sit still and just 'not play' for even a moment. DotA2 wants you to continually be doing things, even if that means readying your lane by preparing to block the wave early on after helping with vision; SMITE encourages you to be active early; LoL encourages you to be active early; HOTS wants you to be active early. Literally every moba I can think of off the top of my head wants you to be active and engaged..

Win1Ocent9 votes

A lot of players playing this game takes the time to smoke, finish a hearthstone game, go poop, get coffee or whatever during the loading screen, i've always wondered why they wouldn't go to the bathroom or smoke or whatever BEFORE going into the game. There is one type that is worse though, today i faced an udyr who was standing at his blue buff afk and just died from our invade, no idea what he did, but probably wasn't important. Or that jungler i once had who afked at our red so when we helped him get it he just afked and died, coming back 30 seconds later saying, "crap, just wanted to finish the hearthstone game..."

ZenBudS1 votes

yeah he had to poop, prolly did both.

Saltinc3 votes

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, today i faced an udyr who was standing at his blue buff afk and just died from our invade, no idea what he did, but probably wasn't important.

what if his mother was having a heart attack? Probably not important right? Don't judge peoples actions without knowing any details. That is really arrogant to think that you know all things. Maybe he had to save someone from choking to death. Guys clearly a jack ass for not playing a game for 2-5 mins to save someones life right?

Purple Packet1 votes

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what if his mother was having a heart attack? Probably not important right? Don't judge peoples actions without knowing any details. That is really arrogant to think that you know all things. Maybe he had to save someone from choking to death. Guys clearly a jack ass for not playing a game for 2-5 mins to save someones life right?

How can you say:

[{quoted}](name=JP Salt Inc,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=spn6YGYb,comment-id=00040001,timestamp=2015-06-20T12:54:12.877+0000) "Don't judge peoples actions without knowing any details." "That is really arrogant to think that you know all things."

when you, yourself, don't know why that Udyr afk'd?

Win1Ocent didn't "pretend" that he knew why Udyr afk'd; he outright admitted that he didn't know.

For all that you know, that Udyr could have been goofing off or something. Udyr might have been experiencing the dreaded "attempting to reconnect" bug, thus disabling his ability to interact with the game.

From the information that Win1Ocent has given, Udyr was his opponent, not his ally; given the idea some people don't use /all chat and the fact that it is otherwise impossible to communicate with the enemy team, Win1Ocent's lack of knowledge, in these circumstances, is acceptable.

What I'm saying is, bro, loosen up.

That being said, if Udyr actually did afk to save someone's life, then God bless that good fella's soul.

Wiggle Dat Butt1 votes

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what if his mother was having a heart attack? Probably not important right? Don't judge peoples actions without knowing any details. That is really arrogant to think that you know all things. Maybe he had to save someone from choking to death. Guys clearly a jack ass for not playing a game for 2-5 mins to save someones life right?

People shouldn't be choking during a game, they can wait til after to choke.

DontBeAfraid1 votes

I remember once when I played jungler, we had a fiora top, she helped me with frog and... she helped me for a very long time and took it. Good thing I was playing Trundle and I had good sustain even without lv 2.

Budupops7 votes

as a jungle main would appreciate it if you could ward from 1:40-1:50.But i get how your annoyed when laners just go afk at tower instead of defending against invade

Gavran4 votes

Right? At 4o seconds you're the ward. The actual wards are for the time no champion can stand there watching.

High56 votes

I'm disappointed when people just run to lanes. I don't personally prefer invades, but a good river ward or blue goes a long way to removing unneeded surprises.

I wish I could rank this up 100x.

Pæan4 votes

I know that feel. I play a lot of Shaco so setting up boxes and a safety area before 1min in to the game is really important. I've gotten my entire pre-spawn traps set before most people even get to T2 towers :C

dabs 4 jezus4 votes

But.. I like my french onion dip q.q

Wiggle Dat Butt4 votes

I'm glad its not just me, appreciate all the thumbs up and feedback.

Krigjer4 votes

'omg gg tryn is afk'

At 38 seconds, before minions have even spawned.

I HATE people like this. Chill out, you can be worried if they haven't moved after jungle camps spawn.

Joe Dredd3 votes

I do that shit all the time. If I'm not there you need to play accordingly.

Sinlaire3 votes

I had a team mate a couple days ago start raging in all chat when he was killed and he was all "wtf! tabbed out checking my E-mail" or something like that.

All i remember was that he started backing near a tower and tabbed out to do something mundane and worthless and the enemy killed him. and suddenly he decides it wasn't fair and a totally dick move.

I was the first one to jump his case telling him he's an idiot for tabbing out mid game to do something that stupid to begin with. Some people just use so little common sense it's amazing.

imonly4noobcakes1 votes

I've had so many matches where the adc is texting, looking at Facebook...or once even admitted to watcing porn.

FistOfSharkiesha3 votes

It's annoying and then you have the people who will not even have their items bought until the 2 min mark and you will ping to get their attention or a teammate will complain that it's a 4v5 and as soon as the player starts playing they immediately have a bad attitude saying shit like "Stfu" or some other bullshit as if they did nothing wrong.

I had a jungler buy his items at 2:15 and get to krugs at 2:40 and he said he wouldn't gank for us because we were already in lane so we didn't leash. It's fucking absurd.

The Loveless2 votes

My gripe is when junglers just pve farm all early and mid game. I also don't like how I'm the only jungler on my teams that even attempts dragons ASAP. There's no excuse not to dragon if you and bot (maybe mid) are competent levels and just killed 2 of them or their jungler early on.

Snakezzy1 votes

I usually farm a few camps until I get my jungle item, and ALWAYS put ganks above farming. I only farm when there is nobody to gank or no good dragon timings.

Snakezzy2 votes

It isn't a big deal to me, one invade will not lose you the game. Some people have lives other than league and persue them before minions spawn, which is fine for me.

imonly4noobcakes2 votes

Yes it is possible to recover from an invade but not if half the team is afk or noob....it then snowballs out of control.

FistOfSharkiesha1 votes

I hate this logic. "big deal I am basically more of a liability than an asset to the team who cares. it's just a game" he says in a ranked match (during someone's promos)

Snakezzy1 votes

Well, in my opinion 1 play cannot make or break the game... especially at 1 and a half minutes in. And if you call them getting a 400 gold lead off of first blood snowballing, I really do not think so. I would only have a problem with this if they are late to lane, not late to "saving your jungle". You can easily recover off of 1 buff being stolen, it just sets you behind a minute or two which should NEVER lose the game for you if you are a better jungler than your opponent.

Wiggle Dat Butt1 votes

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Well, in my opinion 1 play cannot make or break the game... especially at 1 and a half minutes in. And if you call them getting a 400 gold lead off of first blood snowballing, I really do not think so.

When that skilled Riven, Cass, or Diana get that fb it really puts them in a great position to snowball their leads. Riven can particularly be a nightmare even off getting that minor edge on her top laner. All it takes is one more death from the top laner trying to 1v1 her after she got that extra sword and exp and that lane is toast. Hopefully she won't feed Riven 10 kills and the game be over at 20 when she 1v5's your entire team.

Snakezzy1 votes

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When that skilled Riven, Cass, or Diana get that fb it really puts them in a great position to snowball their leads. Riven can particularly be a nightmare even off getting that minor edge on her top laner. All it takes is one more death from the top laner trying to 1v1 her after she got that extra sword and exp and that lane is toast. Hopefully she won't feed Riven 10 kills and the game be over at 20 when she 1v5's your entire team.

Then do not let them get another kill. Sure you gave them a lead, but if you just gank or play safe it will fade away. See, it is multiple plays that end up losing you the game, not just one.

The Queen Viper1 votes

Yes.

Khalibus1 votes

Completely agree.

WildJester1 votes

Just how people are cant really change it.

The Lexer1 votes

Hell in low silver elo 95%+ of the time I can walk in to the enemy jungle, put a ward on one of their buffs and get out unscathed. Sometimes i have to back off but I've only been killed once in the past ~50 games doing that.

The Exile Kaguya1 votes

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Hell in low silver elo 95%+ of the time I can walk in to the enemy jungle, put a ward on one of their buffs and get out unscathed. Sometimes i have to back off but I've only been killed once in the past ~50 games doing that.

To this day my friend makes fun of me because I said 'watch this' went to ward and got hooked into 4. Safe to say it was my fault, but good on them for warding the dragon at 25s in Sona

LICENSED HOOKER1 votes

Yeah, yesterday a sion jungler was afk at they're red while we invade and his team actually came to help him and died aswell, from there on the game was strictly one sided in our favor. Things like that pretty much dictate the game.

ImHerVoice1 votes

invadeing does nothing since exp for junglers got gutted to shit.

you invade for the gold, not for the exp denial now because riot said "fuck you for trying to be ahead"

But both of them have tools to avoid that AND you get a free ward. getting invaded in season 5 with these broken trinkets is unacceptable.

Truly Prideful1 votes

Yeah I never understand it. I usually hang out at my jungler's red / blue with him until 1:40 or so. It leaves plenty of time to get to bot lane in time for the first minion deaths.

TTGOz1 votes

Does it bother anyone else when people use commas to create a pause they think of in their head and create that pause using a comma? Simple English guys.

But yes, people who sit in base and finish their daily jack off session twice a day are the worst.

IcyPepper1 votes

Eh, who cares if top and mid hug their turret instead of helping their jungler out? It's not like they're going to ask for ganks or anything, right?

Rrett1 votes

Absolutely. It one of the biggest reasons toxicity starts.

It feels like shit to be shit for half the game, and this usually spreads a lot of toxicity.

Subject 51 votes

That is how I feel when I play Zil. I have a really high rating with playing him, most people don't know how to play him very well too. But the feeling is that I can't help my adc very much at all, and if the adc gets jumped before level 6 I can't be very much help. I level my E to level 5 first, and I build mana because I can slow the enemy teams tanks down 24/7 and peel like a monster. Zil has THE BEST peel for an enemy tank comp, but I feel as though the relationship of the OP and Zilean is the fact that he can't help early and is kind of useless in the fact.

Squarefighter2 votes

How does this in any way relate to the topic?

RisenDarkKnight1 votes

I hate it in aram when the whole enemy team rushes the bush but one player on your team doesn't join until minions spawn :( so many lvl 1 (well 3 but right at the start) fights/poke in aram.

imonly4noobcakes1 votes

NO one cares about ARAM :|

imonly4noobcakes1 votes

Half the noobs in Bronze don't even think to ward buffs at start...unless you tell them multiple times and ping even more. I swear kids are playing this game half the time. Last nite I had an adc with no runes and no masteries....tell me that wasn't some 10yr old kid????

BakedLotion1 votes

Sorry but i need to piss whenever a game start

KoKoboto1 votes

Ikr right I was jungling top blue side for gromp and the bot lane is just sitting in the first bush, surely enough enemy Nunu just strolls on in cause no one is watching ANYTHING except for me and I get screwed over early game as he gets vision and later contests my blue for 3 minutes while bot lane is still screwing around in the bush ==

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