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Let's chat about a more impactful Udyr

Soulkius·6/10/2015, 2:46:59 AM·4 votes·969 views

With the advent of passives having two effects, and generally being more complex nowadays. I feel we can do something a bit more interesting about the champion Udyr . Characteristically he's never had an ult but what if we gave his passive an ult built into it. Currently his passive at max stacks 3 grants 30% attack speed and 15 movespeed. Overall as a passive this is underwhelming as a result of him getting both he gets less than both Jax and Sivir.

What I propose is that Udyr gets a bonus tagged onto one of his 4 skills that goes on a one minute cooldown after his passive is fully stacked Proposed: Q: Tiger Stance attacks deal missing health damage for the duration of the attack speed boost W: Turtle Stance heals a percent of missing health and mana, or gains a shield based on max health E: Bear Stance gains unstoppable for the duration of the movespeed boost, so long as he moves at a champion R: Udyr unleashes an aoe damage nuke

Reasoning: Q: Being a flat damage amp with low scaling and a strong active makes this skill become less and less viable as games progress later and later. With the addition of a missing health amp on top of the bleed it makes it so for a 5 second window based on whatever the cooldown is decided for his passives proc he becomes a tank shredder.

W: The shield having no form of scaling makes it also decay in effectiveness as the game progresses. While the lifesteal is a very useful tool attached to the skill turtle stance is primarily used for its low cooldown rapid shields and not for prolonged fighting in most cases. A heal bundled onto this can let him get a sustain boost in the jungle or laning during downtimes, while a percentile max health shield opens up surprise tankiness.

E: 2 seconds of immunity to cc is pretty strong, but that immunity only being able to be used for engagements is a tool every Udyr will find he needs in fights. A certain engage that you can see coming and count as it only lasts 2 seconds bring a lot of play and counterplay into what would normally be, run at a champion get cc'd. Try again and pray

R: A nice aoe damage nuke is just a handy tool for lane clear, picking off low health kiting champs, and pumping out some aoe damage in teamfights, something Udyr completely lacks.

A 1 minute cooldown is fitting for something strong, but not game changing, though the empowered e can arguably be. This cooldown is also something easily subjectable to change, and should scale down with level.

Conclusion: Udyr with a lack of scaling inside his kit falls behind many other champions as the game goes on and on. With recent technological developments we can give him some high points that introduce more interesting play and counterplay to an otherwise linear champion. Lets give Udyr more options than run at your shit and slap it, or fail and cry.

Feel free to add comments, opinions, propose changes, I'd love to chat about this.

Edit: It's been brought to my attention that it activating off of his next skill when Udyr is at three stacks of passive does really mess with his jungle and with such a cooldown you'll probably never have it when you need it. The addition of vesitigial 4th, 5th, and 6th stacks and having it activate on his 7th stance swap in a relatively short time frame, should make it so it'll never truly go off in the jungle as camps would be cleared by then normally, and make it so that it becomes more easily available around level 4 onward as by then Udyr should have enough skills to cycle through approaching the lane to get it ready. This will also help to affirm it as an alternative ultimate as it won't be too easily available early on.

13 Comments

Lugg6/10/2015, 4:13:52 AM2 votes

I think Udyr is pretty impactful right now.

Thairn6/10/2015, 2:57:25 AM1 votes

To be honest, this all seems good and something that Udyr needs, but the passive having a 1 minute cooldown could mess with his jungling in a weird way, and it'd be hard to control when trying get it to proc when and on what he wants. I have a few suggestions.

  1. Remove the cooldown, but make the bonus effects weaker.
  2. Make him able to use multiple bonus effects as long as he keeps his passive at max stacks.
  3. Only put it on a cooldown if he stays in that "jungle Rage" mode too long. That way he can use the bonus affects he wants/needs consistently, but still be punished for using too much at once.
Rew7116/10/2015, 3:20:54 AM1 votes

As an Udyr main, I'd like this. Though people say Udyr is unstoppable, I'd beg to differ. He's only unstoppable if he does a E+Q maneuver.

With Udyr, his main is kind of split to his actual abilities, or that was what they use to be. Now, his Q only deals bonus damage as a passive and gets a AS + bleed effect on active. His W sort of stayed the same with a life steal every 4th hit but his shield got nerfed. His E got a major nerf with its change from every 4th hit stun to a 4 second stun (I'd honestly want a 5th hit stun over a 4 second but whatever) as a passive and a MS boost on active. His R still passively deals damage to multiple enemies, and on active it will deal damage to those close to udyr.

But....

He cannot insta-change as he use to (trust me, I played him a lot when I started). That's a huge nerf to udyr in general.

If he does get this passive of a passive, this is what I'd want.

[P] is active when game starts. Passive upgrades at levels 1, 7, and 13. Passive increases the power executed from 1 ability. Cool down for this passive is 90/80/70 seconds (cool down can be lowered with items and it goes down by 2 seconds for every transformation). Lastly, Udyr's next spell is FREE.

[P + Q] Udyr deals a bonus 50/100/150 (+10/20/30% AD)

[P +W] Udyr's shield, shields Udyr for a bonus 50/100/150 (+50% AP)

[P + E] Udyr gains bonus 5/10/15% MS for 0.5/1/1.5 bonus seconds.

[P + R] Udyr gains a bonus 5/10/15 (+25% AP) magic damage.

Chespin20136/10/2015, 8:43:38 AM1 votes

don't give riot any ideas on udyr he's fine the way he is

KarKzz6/10/2015, 7:51:00 PM1 votes

Or just make his ability combo.

Exemple : Pheonix -> turtle : Udyr get an additional small shield for each pheonix wave while in turtle stance. Bear -> tigger : Udyr deal bonus damage on AA to the stunned target. ... But that may be a little complicated, since it add 3 potencial effect on every stance.

Crunchyfied6/10/2015, 7:52:53 PM1 votes

Udyr is impactful to the game and can win the game himself through splitpush. I mean hell, just look at Trick.