Shaco nerfs, and overall thoughts on Shaco in current meta.

CØulrophobia··5 votes·1,375 views

Dear Riot, I would be pleased if you were to ever respond to this blog. Now to start off with my opinions of your nerf. 1.Nerf is hitting both AP, AD,Tank,Bruiser and even Hybrid Shaco. First off all removing 100+ dmg and extending cooldown is always a big nerf. Now the problem here is that some Shaco playstyles are ok, not Op and i am safe to assume even bad in some cases. Hitting certain roles like Top Shaco because Tank JG shaco/Lethality Shaco is busted is not OK. 2.You are supporting the infamous tank Shaco that lategame pops ult and creates a tank out of nowhere, if nothing now that the assasin has less dmg, tank will get more popular and we wont see any difference in Winrate in few weeks, as tank which is more op then the assasin will start rising even more. 3. Shaco rework came with a big problem. If you check your data you will see Shaco is doing MAGIC DMG. To the point that I build Titanic,MoM,Trinity and i still have more magic dmg then physical one. This is a problem because most people expect that they need to build armor to counter Shaco and this is causing players that just got destroyed by Shaco to buy armor expecting him to be AD. But no. He is like a Corki now. Damage is split and players cant really counter it no matter what you buy. And buying armor just helps him snowball more. 4. Shaco has seen rise as some of his natural enemies got nerfed. Now i am not saying this is bad XD but jungle diversity does seem to have gone down. I am sure that once few junglers get off their leash Shaco will slowly fall into the niche again. 5. He is by no means OP, he simply has the abbility to punish enemies severly for their mistakes. This can sometimes be unhealthy but many players like this playstyle. 6. Shaco has transfered from earlygame to lategame. Now this is enigma for myself also but i think his current boxes and Q mechanics led to this. Now what would happen when you nerfed Q that led to this? I am afraid we will be left with a champ that has no powerspikes which is severely bad decision. So here is my proposal. Instead of killing off just 1 abbility do this. Transfer E into physical dmg if Shaco has more AD then AP(this should help out a lot. Nerf the base dmg of the boxes, but increase scaling to balance it out. Just slightly nerf R duration. Finaly make passive start from 110% and then go to 150%.

As you can see all of these changes are nerfs to tank shaco while doing minimal dmg to assasin shaco playstyles. Transfering E dmg to physical should nicely nerf tank Shaco and help assasin playstyle. Less duration on ult means tanko cant pop a secondary tank in midfle of teamfight. Also killing the earlygame of tank shaco by lowering passive dmg but boosting the lategame of real assasins should help his core identity. Also lets not forget AP Shaco which just got stronger boxes to help him farm. I think this should be overall better direction for Shaco changes.

7 Comments

dark100dark1003 votes

Just play against a shaco and you quickly realize his problems. It is ok to punish mistakes, but you cannot be punished since your q is a reliable teleport and invisibility. The only way to fix it is make q channel for some time, and if he receives damage, nothing happens. After that he could be buffed.

CØulrophobia1 votes

I do play against Shaco and as his main i know exactly when and how to strike him. IMO the biggest problem is the fact that he does so much magic dmg for an ad assasin. About Q i actualy think it would be great if it worked like Twitch Q, but less chanel time and smaller circle. Also q is well thought out but nobody watches for puff of smoke and sound effect. So maybe make smoke more red so ppl notice it more often?

dark100dark1002 votes

Unfortunately I cannot really judge the effect of your suggestion, but it would be good if shaco would have a clear weak point which non-shaco players understand and can exploit. After that he could be buffed.

Regarding the smoke, it is visible but it helps little for a non-shaco player. It is impossible to judge how much distance he can travel after he become invisible. The worst is that he always escape with a small health even if you outplayed him. His playstyle must be less forgiving just like all other champions.

Shaco is a deceiver and his kit fits for that purpose. Problem is that he can use it for both offensive and defensive purposes and one of them he must give up.

dark100dark1001 votes

Based on the current pbe patch riot wants to nerf his offense. I feel this is not the right direction. The point of shaco is a surprise attack. Where I would change him:

A: if surprise is failed, and the players know shaco is around, they must be able to stop him B: escape from a bad situation should not be that easy

Touch My Box2 votes

They are just fucking worthless, and have always despised Shaco because of his infuriating playstyle.

Whenever he is doing well, they will nerf him until he is underplayed and borderline unviable.

Such is the way for so many years.

Calabok1 votes

nerf his clown ass

CØulrophobia1 votes

Have you read anythin i wrote?

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