I remember it was made literally for juggernauts to build it and not ranged champs, so that can help them stay on someone..
But it seems like an item for gnar and teemo now..
Oglaf6 votesWhen I started playing, I **always **built Frozen Mallet and Black Cleaver on Olaf because I liked to imagine him actually dual-wielding them.
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oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votesnice i could see that...
Kaioko5 votesIt existed long before Juggernauts ever did and it's always had a weaker slow on ranged champions. I know everyone complains about this item but other than Gnar no one really abuses it and even he isn't insane currently with it (see Jayce or Kenen instead top lane).
Teemo rushing it just annoying but team fights will be a joke or if you have any type of gap closer and let's face it if you don't teemo already crushes you anyways.
00 Great Dane3 votesTry building it on Caitlyn first item. You're now ashe with some survivability.
Pierce The Veal1 votes[{quoted}](name=00 Great Dane,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Z2w3ubzl,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2016-11-03T20:05:00.493+0000)
Try building it on Caitlyn first item. You're now ashe with some survivability.
I do not want this to be a thing. Please.
Draaaaaavéééééén1 votesit was always on gnar, but not on satan.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes
On ranged champions, applies a Slow icon 30% slow instead. it has 30 ad
so a reduced slow on ranged and only 30 ad and it cost 3100 gold
where as 
cost 900 and reduces slow effects by 25% plus giving you increases movement speed
1011001110003 votes[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Z2w3ubzl,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-11-03T18:00:36.732+0000)
so a reduced slow on ranged and only 30 ad and it cost 3100 gold
where as
That just makes the slow 22.5%. Unless you were already significantly faster than the Mallet user, you're still not getting away.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes +55ms so let use garen for example
base ms is 340 +55 would be 395 and lets say he is hit with after slow reduction of 25%
395X22.5%= 395-89 = 306 ms
340 ms hit by
340X30% = 340-102= 238
difference of 68ms
+45 ms (30% reduction of slow/cc/taunt )
385-22.5% =385-87=298ms
not including taking swiftness in masteries or his Q ms boost or other ms items in the game
1011001110002 votesYou can't even read effects properly.
Tenacity does not reduce the effectiveness of slows, it reduces their duration.
Also Garen is the worst example you could possibly use. He can press Q and just get away by removing the slow from himself without having to rely on Swiftness boots.
Let's assume the champion with has 340 base ms like you suppose.
And the only proper and relevant math you did correctly says (340 + 55) - (0.225)(340 + 55) = 306 ms
Guess what? Every single champion in the game has higher base ms than that. You're not getting away.
Now for some real calcualtions:
The Movement Speed formula is calculated as such:
[(Base MS) + (Flat Bonuses)]
Soft Cap application: 0.5(X - 490) + 475 = Soft-capped MS if X > 490 0.8(X - 415) + 415 = Soft-capped MS if X < 490 but X > 415
Let's assume Teemo has Mallet. 330 base MS Assume 1 point in W (10% bonus MS) Assume Runaan's 7% (Typical 2nd item of Mallet Rush) Assume he takes Swifties to be a dick.
(330 + 55) + (385 x 0.1) + (385 x 0.07) = 450.45 MS 0.8(450.45-415) + 415 = 443.36 MS
Unless you're packing some stupid shit, you never get away from a Teemo with Mallet and Runaan's (at least without a gap closer).
#Mathed
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 voteswhy would you ever play anything else into teemo ? you cant be a melee tard walking up to him trying to kill him
you need to be a caster, have range and a gap closer
1011001110003 votesMy point was your MS is never higher than the Mallet user's MS.
You didn't refute it.
I further supported my argument.
Now you're pretending my argument is Teemo is broken with Mallet?
No, my point is Mallet makes it impossible to get away from anyone without using a gap closer.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesnever play melee into teemo ... he is and was designed to counter top melee bruiser type of champs
regardless of or not
and teemo is gonna be faster then most champs with his base ms and his W
1011001110001 votesLet's try this again.
Assume you're against a generic ranged champion.
Assume they are a wimp little shit with 325 base MS that built
Assume their movement speed items are 
.
Assume you're a Melee Champion (with 340 base MS) whose only Movement Speed item is .
Return to formula.
(325 + 45) + (370 x 0.05) = 388.5 MS.
How much MS do you need to get away from this wimpy little shit? (Assume that fighting them is not an option because 2 v 1ing wimpy shit ranged AND their support who isn't CCing you yet is a stupid idea).
MS needed = X (Soft-cap not yet applied)
X - 0.225X = 388.5
0.775X = 388.5
X = 501.3, approximated.
Now account for the soft-cap
0.5X + 230 = 501.3
X = 54.26 MS cut out by soft-cap
Total uncapped MS necessary is 555.56 MS.
Your Movement Speed with the slow applied is approximately 306 MS.
In conclusion:
If you are a melee champion with 340 base Movement Speed and as their only mobility item,
Assuming you are trying to get away from a ranged champion with relevant Movement-based items ,
you will NOT get away without using a movement ability of some kind.
And even then, you might not get away. You would have to account for the 82 MS advantage they have for at least 1.5 seconds, and the possibility of them using their own movement ability.
Your original comment tried to argue that is an expensive item invalidated by 's and 's passive handicap, which I have proven incorrect. The cut of 10% to the item's slow for ranged champions does not significantly reduce the item's effectiveness on ranged champions enough.
This is assuming melee champions have even been building it. The item has to be fringe viable because it's passive is exceedingly volatile. It snowballs leads hard when used appropriately by an auto-based champion and is essentially relegated to Yordles.
Stop pretending like I was arguing Teemo heavily abuses this item. He can barely use anything effectively.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 voteswell as a melee champ regardless of mallet or no mallet you are at a disadvantage due to range even if you have the same ms
and my point was by the time they rush mallet its to late to make it worth and no one but two 'range" champs really use it... being gnar and teemo
Pierce The Veal1 votes[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Z2w3ubzl,comment-id=000200000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-11-04T04:36:27.760+0000)
well as a melee champ regardless of mallet or no mallet you are at a disadvantage due to range even if you have the same ms
and my point was by the time they rush mallet its to late to make it worth and no one but two 'range" champs really use it... being gnar and teemo
Mainly because they benefit a lot more from building AD, crit, and Attack speed. The point here is frozen mallet is more beneficial to a ranged champion than a melee
Mimy1 votesI only build it on Support Teemo.
Talisid1 votes
has been building this pretty much since the day it was created. I don't really see a problem with it.
specter4241 votesnot really especially in teemo's case its a very important item in league of mobility. he can't afford to go glass cannon and doesn't have very good ways of dealing with people jumping on him and murdering him.
OneMustFall1 votesnot really especially in teemo's case its a very important item in league of mobility. he can't afford to go glass cannon and doesn't have very good ways of dealing with people jumping on him and murdering him.
Teemo is far more useful when building straight damage than he is with Frozen Mallet. He needs to be able to dish out damage quickly, especially against someone like a Jax. Frozen Mallet won't stop Jax from locking you down and killing you and you won't have the damage to take him out late game if you have FM. You can go FM if you're doing an AD AS build but I'd still rather get something else even then.
specter4241 votesfull damage teemo doesn't work outside of low elo
OneMustFall1 votesfull damage teemo doesn't work outside of low elo
Uhh...that's false.
The most commonly used build and the build with the highest win rate for Plat+ players features
The top #5 guides by Diamond players who main Teemo are also full damage builds.
Ralanr1 votesI mean, yeah but that's the downside of build diversity.
Now that I think about it. Melee builds don't really get to be that diverse or versatile because so many champions rely on such core items to function. Whereas the item scaling champions seem to make anything work.
The fuck?
Abyssphere1 votesWhat do you count as "item-scaling champions"?
Ralanr1 votesMarksmen. Champions that rely more on items than levels.
OneMustFall1 votesI think it's a very niche item for ranged champions, really only built if there are no tanks/cc and you need survivalability. It's a pretty amazing item on Volibear though.
ModWulf Helhammer1 votesThe only ranged champion I have a problem building it is Gnar. My issue is mainly with melees like Olaf who build it and remove your ability to kite them.
