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You Really Thought Nerfing The Jungle Was The Solution

EmpressOfBeauty··8 votes·3,321 views

Seriously what is wrong with the people that balance this game. I tell myself I won't ever complain and just take what changes come my way but come on. Just had the enemy mid laner single-handedly steal my blue leash and then one shot me as I try to take Gromp and steals that too. As if it isn't already so hard to keep up with laners in experience and you end up taking forever to get to level 6 just for that ult and by the time you do the top and mid laners are level 9 and 10.

Thank you for continuing to nerf what doesn't need to be nerfed. Maybe if laners don't want so much jungle interference early they shouldn't extend their enemy laner into their turret and leave themselves vulnerable. Scuttle crabs don't even give much exp with the buff they were given.

Another thing people could do to decrease their chances of getting ganked early...buy a control ward. It's only 75 gold for one. And it doesn't just help the laner, it helps the whole team. But whatever.

Thanks Riot, you really make sense.

21 Comments

SOOM5 votes

I think you are jungling wrong if you hit 6 when laners are level 9 XD

EmpressOfBeauty2 votes

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I think you are jungling wrong if you hit 6 when laners are level 9 XD

Nothing to help getting a leash stolen, your gromp stolen, dying at the gromp, and dying because you are still level 1 at the next camp.

The Deckowner2 votes

wtf were you and your team doing to allow the enemy mid to steal your blue AND gromp AND kill you?

EmpressOfBeauty1 votes

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wtf were you and your team doing to allow the enemy mid to steal your blue AND gromp AND kill you?

Our mid dced and had to reconnect at the start of the match, and I was low health because of fighting gromp and they were full

The Deckowner1 votes

then that is just 1 unlucky game.

Apocyliptic2 votes

Sounds like you did a shit ton of things wrong to me.

Woodakoodashooda3 votes

May as well just play duo top at this point and roam into enemy jg to steal their camps since duo top will earn more exp than jg does at this point.

Aptest2 votes

the point is not to rid top laners from interference by jungler. the point is to insert top laner interference into jungler's life.

You're not supposed to like it.

EmpressOfBeauty1 votes

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the point is not to rid top laners from interference by jungler. the point is to insert top laner interference into jungler's life.

You're not supposed to like it.

Sounds fair.

Aptest1 votes

it is fair.

Apocyliptic1 votes

The jungle patch is not a nerf. It's a readjustment. You think it's a nerf because you can get behind now. That's something jungle only players aren't actually accustomed to. In fact, I'd argue the jungle is STRONGER after the changes. But I never thought jungle was a toxic role because of how weak or strong it is. I thought it was toxic because there was no real punishment for getting behind. Now there is.

Let me give you an example from one of my solo que games earlier today. I was playing Rengar, he was playing Kindred. By the time the game was over, I was the highest level on the map, and I had outleveled the kindred by an entire 5 levels. I got this by taking every scuttle, winning every lane, and taking every objective. And of course, now that Kindred is gonna get on the boards and whine and moan about how hard they got outpathed and mechanically outplayed. Players like that kindred don't like risk. Because previously the jungle was all reward. No risk. You didn't have to contest your jungle camps frequently, while in every other lane, literally EVERY single minion is contested. EVERY SINGLE DROP of gold is contested. As a jungler you just hit shit.

Another example because I know a bunch of salty players are gonna say I counter kindred (it's the opposite btw). I also played rammus jungle just before this. Obviously you'd say the jax has the advantage when it comes to early 1v1's, at least if you understand the matchup, so it wasn't like I could fight for every scuttle. But what I COULD do was gank the other side of the map with no counter gank potential. I was playing a slow clearing champ that's generally regarded as pretty shit early on and still managed to win the game, which the boards claims is basically impossible. I've also played moakai into lee sin and done the same.

These jungle changes punish bad play and reward good play. If you play the jungle far better than your opponent, it now shows, just like it shows in every other position. You're whining because you can be put behind and punished. Well, welcome to league of legends friend. Hope you learn to enjoy your stay.

ForFoxSakes7 votes

It's a nerf the jg timing, exp and pathing. You're able to smash the other jungler now because once you take a scuttle or two you're a level ahead then able to invade and take all his camps

It shows even more when your laners are winning, shoving or helping as you fight in the river or invade but jg has much less impact and pressure at all times of the game now

Apocyliptic2 votes

That's the point of this damn game. You're telling me that someone who takes three scuttles (because the first one is given to you unless you choose to fight for one) and is level 6 first shouldn't be able to take your shit? He OUTPLAYED YOU. He is beating you. If you can't contest scuttle gank his laners. It's not a hard concept to grasp.

The jungle changes were buffs if anything.

BestPudgeNA6 votes

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That's the point of this damn game. You're telling me that someone who takes three scuttles (because the first one is given to you unless you choose to fight for one) and is level 6 first shouldn't be able to take your shit? He OUTPLAYED YOU

Bro this comment is a dead give away that you don't really play JG all that much. Better jungler doesn't get the crab, jungler with the better mid laner gets that crab.

Apocyliptic2 votes

You can look at my op.gg. I clearly play jungle. It's my second most played role. I get filled there more frequently the higher I go because of that lack of players.

I'm pretty sure you just don't like that a better smarter player is telling you that these are buffs. This is the best state jungle has been in a long time. It not only become more fun and more satisfying to play, it became more punishing, thus rewarding the better player.

You are silver 2. If you aren't winning 100% of your games, your game knowledge is severely lacking. That's probably why you see these as nerfs. But that's not the case. If you are the better player you can now completely take over the game. Which should be GREAT for you because you can completely solo carry in silver. Now it's just easier.

BestPudgeNA1 votes

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You can look at my op.gg. I clearly play jungle. It's my second most played role. I get filled there more frequently the higher I go because of that lack of players.

Seen it you're a Hardstuck mid Diamond Morde/Rengar 2 trick. We've talked before. You told me you were stuck gold as a JG main then switched to playing Rengar/Morde top and said that was proof that Top is a harder role to play somehow.

I'm pretty sure you just don't like that a better smarter player is telling you that these are buffs. This is the best state jungle has been in a long time. It not only become more fun and more satisfying to play, it became more punishing, thus rewarding the better player.

I mean all the smartest and best master/challengers streamers and pros all agree that JG was nerfed. Even most of the mid mains recognize that JG is very dependent on MID to help secure Scuttle, Scarra was complaining on Beyond the Rift that he shouldn't play Diana anymore because the early scuttles 2/3rd are so important to the jungler and he needs to be able to help his jungler get them.

Apocyliptic2 votes

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BestPudgeNA1 votes

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Not every high elo player. Just the ones you want to think about.

No literally every ever Master+ player literally all of them.

And you did youre dumbass really just call me a hardstuck mid diamond player like that's some insult? I mean, man... if you think that's an insult more power to you. And if you look at my match history and call me a two trick you're just lying to yourself.

"And you did youre dumbass"

Wut m8?

You're Hardstuck it's true, was a statement of fact not an insult. It's only an insult if you choose to make it one by taking offense cause you think being D2-3 is below you.

All you need to know: I'm better at this game than you.

That's not all i need to know, nor do i really believe it. Moreover your trying to pull "rank" on me but you want to ignore what the people say that "outrank" do you not see the hypocrisy?

You have no semblance of game balance.

I'm very confident that i understand game balance much better then you. I'm very well versed in game balancing and actually have taken game design course as well. I'm 34 years old and have been in the highest Ranked 2v2 and 3v3 teams in WoW and have played poker professionally, been top 10 legend in Hearthstone, played in a MTG pro tour. I understand what it takes to climb to the top in ELO based ranking system a thousand times more then you and let me assure you it's not all about skill, the biggest factor is being willing to grind. I'm much more grow up and casual now. I'm not really trying to grind up to masters, just trying to have fun. What you can't see in my OP.GG is that i didn't really try to play ranked till this year, that i started bronze 3 because of playing only like 20 games last year of ranked with troll shit like Blitzcrack jungle and Lethality WW and i had 3 leavers in placements. You don't see that i lost a bunch of games this year playing shit like full AP Xin and AD Bruiser Zac.

But that really isn't important.

But since we've talked before, I don't think talking to you any further will help you. You'll always be stuck silver because you don't know how to adapt. You don't know how to move around the map.

You haven't even seen me play a game how could you possible know this. Pretty sure you told me last time we talked that i wouldn't be able to get past S3....

They could increase your camp respawn timers by double, and if you lose games in silver that'd mean you're playing like garbage. In fact, the champions you MAIN and play got BUFFED last patch because of jungle changes. You honestly are gonna tell me you lose games because of your mid laner? In what world? YOURE SILVER. You lose games because you are TRASH.

I'm not really losing a lot. I'm like 9-3 on the patch in ranked. I just haven't played much because i don't enjoy it. I'm much more dependent on my laners particular my midlaner and it's just not fun. Most people agree with this point and it's definitely the majority opinion of the highest elo players. So i've spent most my time playing second account which i mid/top on and btw it's currently gold 4.

I'll leave you with this gem from the last time we talked quoting you

Oh, God forbid your blatantly overpowered role(jungle) got tuned down to an acceptable level.

Seems like even you agreed that these were nerfs at one point

EmpressOfBeauty3 votes

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That's the point of this damn game. You're telling me that someone who takes three scuttles (because the first one is given to you unless you choose to fight for one) and is level 6 first shouldn't be able to take your shit? He OUTPLAYED YOU. He is beating you. If you can't contest scuttle gank his laners. It's not a hard concept to grasp.

The jungle changes were buffs if anything.

Buffs how...all the experience was nerfed down.

Apocyliptic1 votes

You get more experience if you get a decent amount of scuttles. I'm frequently the highest level on the map. A flex game I played had a D2 jungler and a D3 jungler (one being me) and we were both highest level on the map. It's really not hard if you know what you're doing. This was something not that common before scuttle changes.

RekSai CoffeeCo2 votes

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The jungle patch is not a nerf. It's a readjustment. You think it's a nerf because you can get behind now.

I got this by taking every scuttle, winning every lane, and taking every objective.

It is not the experience changes that is the main problem it is scuttle and yeah it is a nerf.

Just move the super scuttle to 15-20 mins in if they intend to keep it as a mini objective otherwise spawn a mini baron at 2:30 or mini rift herald every 2 minutes starting at 3 minutes till baron (oh wait you wouldn't want that but have no problem with scuttle changes)

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