Upvote if you're tired of botlane deciding the game.

KING ATTILA·Dec 28, 2016·4 votes·800 views

Seriously, this shit is old already. The moment bot lane loses, good fucken luck trying to salvage the game. Makes me wanna forget everything and become a tryhard adc main.

It doesn't matter how well anyone performs outside of bot lane. It really doesn't.

we all know bot lane is stupid right now.

Am I a crazy noob or does any of this make sense?

*Don't downvote without giving some kind of counter argument. As far as I know, the snowball surrounding bot lane is strong af.

11 Comments

ZaryelleDec 28, 20163 votes

As long as you're not trying to blame bot lane for 'feeding' I'll agree with you. One bot lane usually dominates the other, it's rarely a close match, and with 2 players being so much stronger than the other 2 it snowballs way too easy.

KING ATTILADec 28, 20161 votes

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As long as you're not trying to blame bot lane for 'feeding' I'll agree with you. One bot lane usually dominates the other, it's rarely a close match, and with 2 players being so much stronger than the other 2 it snowballs way too easy.

Not blaming for feeding. Bot lane is just very unforgiving. One mistake and it's too hard to come back.

Risk of FateDec 28, 20163 votes

The thing is, bot lane is a constant 2v4 as enemy jungler and mid constantly go down there to put pressure down. No shield, immobile carries and supports? You bet that if they burn a flash, they're coming right back. I've dominated our lane only to lose because "oh hey, suddenly it's a party down here," and our mid and jungle just blame us for dying....

Look, I've been in both positions and frankly I'm getting tired of having to scrape my carries off the ground more than when Zed terrorized games. When I'm mid, I'm usually keeping my laner in place. They roam, I'm following. Not much I can do about jungle ganks and always keep an eye down there with the river constantly lit up.

MarshbouyDec 28, 20162 votes

Upvote if "Upvote if" posts should not be tolerated on the boards.

RivuoDec 28, 20162 votes

it's not that adcs are op right now.... Its that the jungler can literally spoonfeed that lane too easy at the moment..

KING ATTILADec 28, 20161 votes

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it's not that adcs are op right now.... Its that the jungler can literally spoonfeed that lane too easy at the moment..

Never said adc's are OP but agreed.

ErockandrollDec 28, 20161 votes

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it's not that adcs are op right now.... Its that the jungler can literally spoonfeed that lane too easy at the moment..

I want to disagree, but that's mainly because I would have bot side lit up like a Christmas tree. If the enemy is that easily feeding their bot laner, you probably don't have enough vision to prevent it. I think this is why people hate supports, it's almost never noticeable when a good support is doing their job, but a bad support can really cost you.

also, I don't entirely agree with OP's statement about other lanes having no effect. While bot lane does seem to act as a linchpin, Your success in lane can easily into a turning of the bot lane. I know people have complained about the 4 man gank in bot lane, but that is only possible if either the enemy mid or top laner was freed up. That usually only happens when one of your lanes f's up badly.

RivuoDec 28, 20162 votes

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I want to disagree, but that's mainly because I would have bot side lit up like a Christmas tree. If the enemy is that easily feeding their bot laner, you probably don't have enough vision to prevent it. I think this is why people hate supports, it's almost never noticeable when a good support is doing their job, but a bad support can really cost you.

also, I don't entirely agree with OP's statement about other lanes having no effect. While bot lane does seem to act as a linchpin, Your success in lane can easily into a turning of the bot lane. I know people have complained about the 4 man gank in bot lane, but that is only possible if either the enemy mid or top laner was freed up. That usually only happens when one of your lanes f's up badly.

You can have all the vision in the world you arent stopping a 4 man gank.

ErockandrollDec 28, 20161 votes

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You can have all the vision in the world you arent stopping a 4 man gank.

That is true, but again, you don't end up with the 4th member in the gank, without either the top or mid laner having the freedom to do so. (Which is why I disagreed with OP.)

But also, the biggest mistake I see in this is, when a 4 man gank looms, people are too apt to "Stand their ground." "of coarse you can't stop a 4 man tower dive, so why did you try?" It's often better for them to abandon bot tower, than getting their smart ass killed, and then losing tower anyway.

HeeroTXDec 28, 20162 votes

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I want to disagree, but that's mainly because I would have bot side lit up like a Christmas tree. If the enemy is that easily feeding their bot laner, you probably don't have enough vision to prevent it.

It's a f'ing jg META. Just had several games of enemy jg bouncing between mid and bot with mine jerking off doing I dunno what. And no, it does NOT matter if you ward the hell out of it because a) It often STARTS before anyone has sightstone (or the money to buy it) b) EVEN if you have wards out the ass, jg will at "worst" put you behind in cs (unless the enemy bot is flat out TERRIBLE) because you can never get close enough to minions

Basically, whichever team has strongest jungler wins game, period. If jungle is "even" then some other lane can decide, but otherwise it's all jg all the time. I have yet to see a game where a team with shit jg still wins. I've seen games with EVERY other role being "garbage" and still win. (closest exception, is if BOTH junglers suck)

AMYS GRAVEDec 28, 20161 votes

If the enemy is that easily feeding their bot laner, you probably don't have enough vision to prevent it. I think this is why people hate supports, it's almost never noticeable when a good support is doing their job, but a bad support can really cost you.

The feed often starts before supports have sightstone thanks to the prevelance of level 2-3 ganks, so you really can't blame them on this. The ADC needs to ward as well.