The Main Gripe I Have With the Swain Rework

SpongebobIsLife·Jan 26, 2018·27 votes·1,637 views

Idk why, but I've always loved DOT champions. Even in my wow dies, i loved going pyro mage, and sub rogue (i think), just because I liked DOTs, i liked the way they feel. League does not have that many true DOT champs, and by DOT champs, i mean champs where their damage-over-time abilities do a consistently high amount of damage. This roster consists of (talon and rumble to a lesser degree ) . It makes me sad to see that we are losing a DOT champ like Swain, when we already have so few. Swain's DOT ability was part of what we drew me to him for about 3 years and I'm sad the new swain has none of this. I mean I guess his ult kind of counts as one, but...it's just not the same.

I hope to see some new champs that use DOTs in a new way this year!

36 Comments

Tails9016Jan 27, 201811 votes

Lists DoT champs, doesn't list Udyr

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SpongebobIsLifeJan 27, 20189 votes

who?

Tails9016Jan 27, 20184 votes

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But yeah, Udyr is almost non-existent right now.

Jerry SeinfeIdJan 27, 201810 votes

Singed

RexxieeJan 27, 201810 votes

They removed all the uniqueness from swain and made him another genenic ap champ that also looks like your generic warlock.

And im surprised you missed singed, hes like the main champ in the game that has like 95% of his damage being a DoT.

SpongebobIsLifeJan 27, 20181 votes

haha i knew i was missing someone

TykennJan 27, 20187 votes

I think Darius deserves to be listed as a DoT champion, his bleed does quite a lot.

Tychusfindlay918Jan 27, 20182 votes

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I think deserves to be listed as a DoT champion, his bleed does quite a lot.

DoT champ would denote damage over time being their main source of damage.

Bleed is not darius's main source of damage, it's only one of his main sources of damage.

TykennJan 27, 20184 votes

Then the only dot champion in league would be teemo by those standards.

PhDs NutsJan 27, 20184 votes

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DoT champ would denote damage over time being their main source of damage.

Bleed is not darius's main source of damage, it's only one of his main sources of damage.

Then take out Brand, Fizz, and Talon, too.

THE D1CJan 27, 20186 votes

Assassination Rogues were all about the DOTs Sub was good for Shadow Step and the Vanish reset.

SpongebobIsLifeJan 27, 20181 votes

yeah i couldn't remember if it was assassination or sub, i was leaning towards assassination in my head lol

The Blue RajahJan 27, 20186 votes

As a dot lover, I’m surprised you didn’t mention warlocks, haha

TokogawarufJan 27, 20182 votes

The Sickness Warlock or something wasnt it?

Soul Fracments activated and shower the enemy in 6 different DoTs, rinse and repeat.

My Soul hurts

SpongebobIsLifeJan 27, 20183 votes

oh yeah! affliction warlocks!!!

HibekiJan 27, 20185 votes

The gripe i have with the swain rework is that they removed every single thing of his core identity in favorof a psuedo vladimir

Every.

Single.

Thing.

ChaddyFantomeJan 27, 20182 votes

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The gripe i have with the swain rework is that they removed every single thing of his core identity in favorof a psuedo vladimir

Every.

Single.

Thing.

what doe she have in common with Vlad beyond the color Red?

Chromatic EagleJan 28, 20181 votes

The long hair and cape?

HibekiJan 28, 20181 votes

and poise, and hair color, and eldritch feel, and so many other things

PaffWasTakenJan 27, 20184 votes

That feel when even DoT champions uses burst damage to make themselves viable

deadlychuckJan 27, 20183 votes

Most DoT damage can't keep up or is insanely OP when burst damage is given priority. That's the problem.

SpongebobIsLifeJan 27, 20185 votes

I disagree, Riot hasn't had problems balancing any of the above DOT champions with the exception of malzahar, but that's tied to his ult not his actual DOT. All the above champions have had some spotlite in competitive play as well as high elo play, with the exception of teemo.

deadlychuckJan 27, 20182 votes

Sure, but notice that most of them push their actual DoT damage down to a secondary mechanic, with their utility and/or burst damage making up the majority of their power.

Akali PrimeJan 27, 20183 votes

AurelionSol

[zombie-nunu-bummed]

your just like riot, leaving poor sol out of things

Doctor JarvisJan 27, 20186 votes

Sol is uh, not a DoT champion. Just because he can build item 3151 doesn't make him a DoT mage.

Akali PrimeJan 27, 20183 votes

hes not? oh...i was pretty sure his stars were pretty dot-ish

Velzard of KozJan 27, 20181 votes

I suppose they only count damage over time that you don't have to reapply yourself. A poison type DoT.

Chromatic EagleJan 28, 20181 votes

He's more sustained than anything imo.

SpoofghoulJan 27, 20182 votes

I think Sion needs a dot added on his basic attacks

Have you seen that axe, it's bigger then some champions in the game

how can you not bleed when you get smashed in the face with that

no to toxicJan 27, 20184 votes

"Hey lets make everyone Darius" "Hell yeah now wtch me smash my head against the wall while drinking an excessive amount of alcohol"

SpoofghoulJan 27, 20181 votes

I'm waiting [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

NyarlathοtepJan 26, 20181 votes

Get Ogre HereJan 27, 20181 votes

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Get Ogre HereJan 27, 20181 votes

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I think DOT champs (namely Malzahar and current Swain) are really oppressive in lane, Brand and Teemo are super annoying to play against, But the other ones are tolerable. I just think it's smart to not have too many from a gameplay perspective. Not to mention your list of 8 (which doesn't even include Udyr/Singed/Darius/Twitch) is a pretty decently sized roster. Maybe they can add a DOT adc to balance your roster out to have someone for each role :) (I've heard next new champ is an adc sooo)

Teridax68Jan 27, 20181 votes

I very much agree with the conclusion to the OP, because I too think there is value in DoTs and DoT champions, yet Riot have had trouble implementing proper gameplay around that for quite some time. Up until now, DoTs have mainly just been treated as a different, less clear form of nuke, and that is also what has pushed Riot to compress some of them into more instant burst, as is the case for Ryze's new kit. This I think is kind of misguided, because I personally believe DoTs can have a lot of unique gameplay of their own, and could have much more clarity with just a few UI changes. I think even Riot talked about this when reworking the health bars, but there was mention of displaying DoTs and HoTs on the health bar as differently-colored portions of depleting or regenerating health. Doing so would finally allow DoTs to have their exact value displayed for everyone to see, and would give them a lot more clarity as a result.

In gameplay terms, I also think DoTs have intrinsic value relative to instant nukes in that they can offer opponents more options to fight back. Because DoTs happen over time, having more of them could establish a greater difference between champions with lots of static health, who are good against burst but not to persistent damage, and champions with a lot of sustain, who are weak to burst but who can heal through DPS. Additionally, particularly prolonged DoTs could create situations where they'd be guaranteed to kill a target, but would give their victim the time to retaliate: one missed opportunity with Talon's DoT, for example, is that it could have turned his victim into a dead man walking, guaranteeing their eventual death but giving them an extra window of time to fight back as he escapes. Similarly, it would complement Singed and Fizz's hit-and-run gameplay much more, and could allow more champions to inflict "burst" in a less bursty manner, thereby making them a little more interactive.