Khazix is useless now but on the other hand.... Rengar is still the king of assassins.

Fadedpf·Jan 2, 2015·3 votes·2,817 views

Seriously. These guys are meant to be strong. But Khazix gets exploded like a bug, while Rengar has had no nerfs to his damage. He might not be played a ton in season 5 because his clear is meh. But that doesnt mean his damage is just stupid. Like fizz.

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Joe DreddJan 2, 20152 votes

You suck shit if you think rengar is good

BattleOozeJan 2, 20151 votes

(Expects people to agree and accept his comment with no evidence to back his claim, and doesn't expect people to get pissed when insulting specific people).

Joe DreddJan 2, 20151 votes

Terrible win rate.
His jungle clear isn't good.
His laning sucks and he can be easily harassed out of lane because his heal sucks shit too.
His regular abilities suck in order to compensate for his ferocity abilities but his ferocity abilities are lackluster.
His ultimate is incredibly easy to avoid, seeing as even if you have no vision of the area you get the exclamation mark. (which is really fucking stupid actually, because they removed the part where he could avoid showing the exclamation mark to the very end by going in a direction where you didn't have vision. LIKE ANY OTHER FUCKING CHAMPION.)
His ultimate has a ridiculously long cooldown.
His split sucks.
Against any competent team you blow up as soon as you jump on the enemy. Any support with cc can instantly stop Rengar and he'll be dead in a second.
If you build tanky you won't have enough damage to actually assassinate. Rengar isn't even a good assassin anymore. They reworked him into a fighter.
His bola is terrible, and if you want to use it with ferocity it is way too much risk for the reward that you get. as it is an easy to dodge skill-shot. More reasons?

BattleOozeJan 3, 20151 votes

Win-rate doesn't justify whether a champion is good or not. Even Riot confirmed its a factor but not a reliable one.
His clear is healthy. I never have problems where I am behind because of his "Lack luster" clear. His Q gives him attack speed to clear faster and gives him bonus ad. Not only that but he gets bonus armor from his w so that helps sustain.
His laning is actually quite prominent.. depending on who you are going against (of course). You can use the bushes to your advantage and his q is an aa reset so that is in fact a powerful tool for harass. (AA q AA q)
I will admit his spells are somewhat lack luster (removing the attack speed from the normal q was inappropriate imho). But other than that they are quite effective at what they are intended to do. His ebola strike is much more effective because of the root it currently provides when you gank. I don't think it's lack luster in any way at the moment.
I can agree with that, that should be reverted. It doesn't necessarily fulfill what the ultimate was intended for but then again it kind of does by letting the person know that they are on the prowl. As much as is sucks it's not entirely as bad as it seems. Giving the fact that every single champ that can go stealth has a certain way of letting the person know they are most likely in stealth (A sound, remnants left behind in the area (Talon ult, haze left from Shaco etc). It creates counter-play, whereas before you couldn't unless you have a ward with you at all times.
His cooldown is higher early game... BUT, with 40% CD (you should build some cd on manaless champions), his ult is on a 105/66/42 cd. Q=2.4 W=7.2 E=6 max rank. Which is not bad at all. (Spammerino bola js)
His split does kind of suck considering he does have any aoe damage but that can be fixed with and . If you chose any of the 2.
What makes Rengar so awesome is that you chose when to go in... you never initiate as Rengar with ult unless you know for sure you can get the kill. If not you let your team initiate THEN you go in. Let them blow thier cc elsewhere and tear apart the carries (:
Rengar can assassinate early-mid and sometimes late but lategame he functions as an offtank. You should be building him tanky mid game anyway.
His bola isn't as reliable as it used to be, but its an effective slow. 80% that diminishes over time at max rank... starting at 60% at level one... Land the first one and its easy as pie to land the next.

I'd gladly discuss more... I just don't think hes bad. He is not OP, but he's viable.

Kuroi86Jan 2, 20152 votes

Kha'Zix is an oddity. Despite nerf after nerf, he seems to always emerge in pro play and still be relevant in the meta. Rengar... despite having some massive burst, seems much less prominent, which is odd.

I'll agree, Kha'Zix feels really squishy. Typically if I don't go superior route when clearing, I'll only get three camps before needing to back. But at the same time, you really can't count out Kha'Zix isolation damage, which still seems pretty powerful.

wiggywonkaJan 2, 20151 votes

Yea rengar is a beast while kha zix is like a 2 centimeter bug

BattleOozeJan 2, 20151 votes

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Seriously. These guys are meant to be strong. But Khazix gets exploded like a bug, while Rengar has had no nerfs to his damage. He might not be played a ton in season 5 because his clear is meh. But that doesnt mean his damage is just stupid. Like fizz.

What do you max first on Kha'Zix? and in what situation? How do you clear the jungle as Kha'Zix? What do you usually build? I never have trouble with Kha'Zix in the jungle... his ganks are good early game, his single target damage is insane via evolved Q... Not sure what's so weak about him when he excels at how hes meant to be played. If you get exploded like a bug how about evolving R? It's very effective and makes him better in team-fights. Rengar is a different story imho. He can gank any lane at ease honestly... and while you have a chance to set up before he jumps you... you are most likely dead.

FadedpfJan 2, 20151 votes

doesnt matter what you evolve. Hes squishier than ever, have been nerfed to the ground and thats just it. And good luck playing Kha in this new jungle... Meanwhile rengar has easy ganks and stupid damage

BattleOozeJan 2, 20151 votes

He's squishy because he's an assassin... fragile but deadly. He's slippery as hell in team-fights with his ult... especially evolved (3 second stealth with increased movement speed... 3 times.) Gives you more than enough time to position yourself.

You evolve what your team needs. Poke? (evolve and max w), doesn't need poke?(evolve and max q). It's simple as that and I do totally fine in games with him.

Leblancs BoobJan 2, 20151 votes

Except everytime Kha'Zix becomes non-meta he comes back even stronger than before without even getting buffs

asktiksJan 2, 20151 votes

ohh but in season five even rengar is gonna have tougher clears, you seen the proposed changes on pbe yet?

for starters golems stun, most if not all camps are getting dmg buffs, while toad got poison dmg buffed ,smite is on a charge system now, comes out to a somewhat more quicker refresh of first clear lets u use it twice, then its a hogwash because its not gonna do crap for sustainability wich is gonna be a problem

mob camp healths buffed = more hits to kill = more dmg taken and mana spent = oom sooner/base for a lot of champs, kazhzix is gonna pretty much have horrible jungle if it goes live like that dunno wtf riot is thinking lately tbh

Kuroi86Jan 2, 20151 votes

About Krugs stunning and Gromp poisoning. You can actually smite the monster right off and steal that buff, thus they won't be able to poison or stun you. This change is being considered to try and deter laners from stealing the camps early on.