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As an Azir main

Treune81··3 votes·1,224 views

I don't like this situation.I know Azir is difficult champion he has high skill cap but he isn't worth to playing.You can tell you're new player you aren't skilled but you don't know my Azir games and the number of its.BTW I know anti-Azir circlejerk but I don't care.

Azir is weak.Azir isn't rewarding for his experienced players.

https://champion.gg/champion/Azir

I disagree last Azir nerf.You can look Vlad, Karma, Ekko, Viktor, Zed, Fizz, Malzahar even Kalista. (her mains win rate 53% so she is rewarding)

Meanwhile I'm looking Azir nerfs.There is a problem here.There's an injustice.There is something strange here.

Riot said like things small rework, mid range battle mage. When? How many days later? How? Which way? Hurry up because I'm tired of it.

Riot didn't want viable Azir because Worlds.Riot you didn't want Azir for Worlds because you didn't want new team skins for Azir and Kalista.Like Skt or other team skins.I want Azir buffs.I can not stand.We suffer while playing Azir.Three times more according to other champions.

Riot probably you know Azir is useless but love of money, competitive worry is hard.

Briefly WE WANT VIABLE AZIR!

56 Comments

Sahn Uzal3 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKLvmy__f2E

Just watch this video.

specter4243 votes

Azir mains whining high skill cap and that he isn't viable, lol! He still does 2k damage in 1 second late game with just a right click, talk about high skill! He doesn't rely on a hard to land skillshot to set up his combo, he is easy as fuck to play. His kit is just the most bullshit kit in the game rivaled only by Kalista and Yasuo, he doesn't need a buff ever.

Marshbouy3 votes

He's literally balanced around a high skill cap. I'm assuming you are a troll so i don't feel like talking to you.

Treune813 votes

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He's literally balanced around a high skill cap. I'm assuming you are a troll so i don't feel like talking to you.

Troll didn't evenread my thread.

Marshbouy2 votes

He didn't. Azir needs a rework before he gets a buffed, did you watch the vid that tidal tryrant posted?

Treune811 votes

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He didn't. Azir needs a rework before he gets a buffed, did you watch the vid that tidal tryrant posted?

Not true because he is weak at competitive right now so Riot can balance him.

They already said small rework, maybe no rework.

Marshbouy2 votes

what? no he still needs a rework before he get's balanced. he is balanced around skill cap. In LCS skill cap doesn't mean shit.

Treune811 votes

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what? no he still needs a rework before he get's balanced. he is balanced around skill cap. In LCS skill cap doesn't mean shit.

He isn't balanced around skill cap so champion.gg shows this because other skill high cap champions win rate are very high.

My biggest example Nidalee.You're fail.Try more.

Marshbouy2 votes

I thought you could be reasonable, but you could not. No point in talking to you.

Treune811 votes

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I thought you could be reasonable, but you could not. No point in talking to you.

Troll say me you couldn't reasonable.But you troll where is your evidence?

Where is good Azir players win rates and their profile? I couldn't find.

Edit:I'm waiting evidence from you.If you don't show evidence we don't continue to same debate.You are not always right.You don't forget it.

Marshbouy2 votes

Azir's balanced around skill, you wanna know why?

Because his winrate in dynamicQ is very low for anyone without a high aount of games on him. This was before his set of nerfs. This shows that you needed skill with him to do well.

Another reason is that even though he was bad in ranked he was great in LCS. The reason why? Mechanical skill on a champion means almost nothing in LCS because everyone has about the same mechanical skill on everyone. Since azir is so difficult but LCS players can play him very well, he does great in LCS.

He has, range, burst, peel, mobility, siege, defense, waveclear, knockup+displacement, AOE magic damage, the ability to AOE slow with rylais, and the ability to build a FUCKING TURRET. That's too much on one champion.

Look. I'm a mastery 6 azir, 36k mastery points on him. That's nothing in the grand scheme of things but i really love azir. He's one of my favorite champions, hands down. That does not mean he doesn't need a rework before he get's buffed.

Treune811 votes

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Azir's balanced around skill, you wanna know why?

Because his winrate in dynamicQ is very low for anyone without a high aount of games on him. This was before his set of nerfs. This shows that you needed skill with him to do well.

Another reason is that even though he was bad in ranked he was great in LCS. The reason why? Mechanical skill on a champion means almost nothing in LCS because everyone has about the same mechanical skill on everyone. Since azir is so difficult but LCS players can play him very well, he does great in LCS.

He has, range, burst, peel, mobility, siege, defense, waveclear, knockup+displacement, AOE magic damage, the ability to AOE slow with rylais, and the ability to build a FUCKING TURRET. That's too much on one champion.

Look. I'm a mastery 6 azir, 36k mastery points on him. That's nothing in the grand scheme of things but i really love azir. He's one of my favorite champions, hands down. That does not mean he doesn't need a rework before he get's buffed.

So you agree last Azir nerf was wrong way.Nice confession.Congrats.

I forgot.His win rate wasn't very low before last injustice nerf.Your other wrong point.

Also his mains win rate wasn't very low.

Marshbouy3 votes

I never agreed that "azir nerf was wrong way"

I agree that he needed nerfs. let me say this slowly for you. Azir needs a rework, following me so far? Before he get's a buff.

Treune811 votes

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I never agreed that "azir nerf was wrong way"

I agree that he needed nerfs. let me say this slowly for you. Azir needs a rework, following me so far? Before he get's a buff.

But you didn't say Azir's nerf way because you haven't an idea about Azir because you don't know Azir because 36k mastery point isn't enough.Azir doesn't need big rework.Because Azir isn't dominant at competitive low win rates.Meanwhile you remember Ryze.He was dominant low win rates so Azir doesn't need big rework even some Azir buffs can be enough.

Edit:36k mastery point? 100 games? Not even 125.

You aren't Azir main.We must ask real Azir mains.

I'm looking real Azir mains on NA server.They are playing Viktor instead Azir.

Marshbouy2 votes

"But you didn't say Azir's nerf way because you haven't an idea about Azir because you don't know Azir because 36k mastery point isn't enough" that is borderline gibberish. I even admitted that 36k wasn't much.

I never said he needed a big rework. I want a rework that makes him a mid range mage that retains his mobility, shurima shuffle, and damage at the cost of the stupid huge range.

LET ME SAY THIS SLOWLY AZIR NEEDS A REWORK BEFORE HE GETS BUFFED

Most "real azir mains" are either gibbering idiots or saying that he needs a rework.

Treune811 votes

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"But you didn't say Azir's nerf way because you haven't an idea about Azir because you don't know Azir because 36k mastery point isn't enough" that is borderline gibberish. I even admitted that 36k wasn't much.

I never said he needed a big rework. I want a rework that makes him a mid range mage that retains his mobility, shurima shuffle, and damage at the cost of the stupid huge range.

LET ME SAY THIS SLOWLY AZIR NEEDS A REWORK BEFORE HE GETS BUFFED

Most "real azir mains" are either gibbering idiots or saying that he needs a rework.

Azir doesn't need rework because I said.Azir isn't dominant low win rates and Azir has high skill cap.Azir mains claim otherwise.He needs some small buffs without rework.

I can invite Reddit Azir mains.You forgot.Champion has good kit so we must rework them.The most wrong thing I've ever seen.

You should read last comment.

Here you are; https://www.reddit.com/r/azirmains/comments/4vlijw/we_did_it_boys_lowest_win_rate/

Treune811 votes

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"But you didn't say Azir's nerf way because you haven't an idea about Azir because you don't know Azir because 36k mastery point isn't enough" that is borderline gibberish. I even admitted that 36k wasn't much.

I never said he needed a big rework. I want a rework that makes him a mid range mage that retains his mobility, shurima shuffle, and damage at the cost of the stupid huge range.

LET ME SAY THIS SLOWLY AZIR NEEDS A REWORK BEFORE HE GETS BUFFED

Most "real azir mains" are either gibbering idiots or saying that he needs a rework.

You said you watch that video but that guy said Azir doesn't need rework.

Treune811 votes

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I never agreed that "azir nerf was wrong way"

I agree that he needed nerfs. let me say this slowly for you. Azir needs a rework, following me so far? Before he get's a buff.

If you want to see I can send their profile.I can send lolskill profiles because Reddit Azir mains use some important websites.

Treune811 votes

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I never agreed that "azir nerf was wrong way"

I agree that he needed nerfs. let me say this slowly for you. Azir needs a rework, following me so far? Before he get's a buff.

I repeat again.The most important part.

Azir doesn't need big rework.Because Azir isn't dominant at competitive low win rates.Meanwhile you remember Ryze.He was dominant low win rates so Azir doesn't need big rework even some Azir buffs can be enough.

Lord Azır2 votes

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He has, range, burst, peel, mobility, siege, defense, waveclear, knockup+displacement, AOE magic damage, the ability to AOE slow with rylais, and the ability to build a FUCKING TURRET. That's too much on one champion.

Wanna know who else has burst, range, peel, mobility, seige, defense, waveclear, AoE damage and a long range execute while also having lifesteal + crits?

Caitlyn

Marshbouy1 votes

Her mobility is half of what azir's is, you need an item to get the AOE damage, and you forgot the displacement and knockup with the ult.

Lord Azır2 votes

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Her mobility is half of what azir's is, you need an item to get the AOE damage, and you forgot the displacement and knockup with the ult.

Yeah but she has a snare that allows her team to instantly 100-0 a squishy in a seige, a slow on her mobility, and you also need an item to get an AoE slow on Azir so I don't know why you brought that up about Caitlyn needing Hurricane.

Azir can get poked down in a fight, a Caitlyn with BT stays in the fight as long she can auto.

Marshbouy1 votes

That snare can be dodged and has a cast time along with a small hitbox. azir has a slow on his Q. Azir has a shield and damage on his mobility. I said "AOE slow with rylais" you just said "AOE damage". I was clarifying.

Azir outranges Caitlyn. Not many champions manage to out range azir while a lot of mages can out rage caitlyn. Still nothing compares to the AOE knockback displacement.

Lord Azır2 votes

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That snare can be dodged and has a cast time along with a small hitbox. azir has a slow on his Q. Azir has a shield and damage on his mobility. I said "AOE slow with rylais" you just said "AOE damage". I was clarifying.

Azir outranges Caitlyn. Not many champions manage to out range azir while a lot of mages can out rage caitlyn. Still nothing compares to the AOE knockback displacement.

Azir doesn't out range caitlyn though, his Q might but his auto attack range sure doesn't. His max Q range is higher than his auto range meaning you have to walk up after a Q to actually attack at full range.

The snare can also be setup in a line of 5 along a enemy turret for the best siege in game.

And this "aoe knockback displacement". Is basically a shitty Janna ult that only knocks back people close to you / infront of you, that doesn't heal and lasts for 3 seconds. You have to dive into the enemy team as a squishy mid lane mage to be able to actually use it offensively. Shove caitlyn into the middle of the enemy team and see what happens.

FioraWillCarry2 votes

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Azir mains whining high skill cap and that he isn't viable, lol! He still does 2k damage in 1 second late game with just a right click, talk about high skill! He doesn't rely on a hard to land skillshot to set up his combo, he is easy as fuck to play. His kit is just the most bullshit kit in the game rivaled only by Kalista and Yasuo, he doesn't need a buff ever.

Late game ? What's that ?

Treune811 votes

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Late game ? What's that ?

He supposed Leblanc or Anivia :)

Astôlfo2 votes

Then feel free to climb to at least Plat 1 with him because he's obviously so OP and easy.

specter4241 votes

I could but I find it hard to play a champ that I really dislike.

Astôlfo2 votes

No, you couldn't.

specter4241 votes

You don't know me and I don't know you so how do you figure.

Astôlfo2 votes

Because you're not LCS level or anywhere near that level in general, nor would you dedicate the hundreds and hundreds of games it would take.

Tilthankaldar2 votes

i mean whats with the high skill cap talk... You press W-Q and boom you nearly killed someone from a distance..

Treune813 votes

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i mean whats with the high skill cap talk... You press W-Q and boom you nearly killed someone from a distance..

I noticed contradiction.If Azir is easy to play his win rate must be higher.

If Azir isn't easy to play, I disagree ''You press W-Q and boom you nearly killed someone from a distance..'' this sentence.

Tilthankaldar2 votes

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I noticed contradiction.If Azir is easy to play his win rate must be higher.

If Azir isn't easy to play, I disagree ''You press W-Q and boom you nearly killed someone from a distance..'' this sentence.

But my sentence is 100% true. You know how many times ive seen azir W-Q and someone lost 70% of their health because Rylais and Q slow forces them to take 2 autos after?

Treune812 votes

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But my sentence is 100% true. You know how many times ive seen azir W-Q and someone lost 70% of their health because Rylais and Q slow forces them to take 2 autos after?

''because Rylais and Q slow forces them to take 2 autos after''

What is last nerf? Soldier damage nerf.In that case Azir's last nerf is wrong way so I said exaggerated nerfs so I repeat Azir needs buffs.They could nerf Rylai.

Edit:Rylai is mages item so they gutted Azir.

WoonStruck1 votes

People try to say that Vlad is easy to play and over-powered, yet he sits at a low win-rate and is even eating more nerfs.

Treune812 votes

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People try to say that Vlad is easy to play and over-powered, yet he sits at a low win-rate and is even eating more nerfs.

But some people said Azir is easy to play.I disagree.Everything isn't W-Q.Probably they don't know positioning.

Actually 40% and 43% win rates aren't still true.Kalista's skill cap is high but her 125+ games win rate is 53%.Good.Azir's 125+ games is only 43%.

Astôlfo2 votes

Then go ahead and climb to at least Plat 1 with him. He's obviously so easy, so why not?

YurÌ on Ice2 votes

its hilarious to see even after his winrate dropped to 40% people are still spewing the same old shit about him being OP. Those who stopped saying he's OP are now clammoring for a rework. Since when do the people at boards actually want to balance the game? and why the fuck are people still trying to bring some attention to Azir's status and ask for buffs to him? Even sticking statistics and winrates in threads around the boards will get you a bucketload of downvotes.

The boards and the league community are a fucking joke rofl. Period.

Cubíx1 votes

I have a friend who plays a lot of azir (djano if you want to look him up) he does a somewhat unconventional build on him, I've actually done practice matches against it and can say its extremely oppressive and can control a game. I could believe in the right hands azir is still very viable. Maybe you just need to change up your playstyle

Treune811 votes

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I have a friend who plays a lot of azir (djano if you want to look him up) he does a somewhat unconventional build on him, I've actually done practice matches against it and can say its extremely oppressive and can control a game. I could believe in the right hands azir is still very viable. Maybe you just need to change up your playstyle

I've tried a lot of times.No way.My Azir playstyle is enough I'm sure atleast because I reached to high elos with Azir but I started playing Viktor, Cassiopeia or Ahri.Because I believe Azir isn't rewarding.Azir is high risk and low reward champion.

Lord Azır1 votes

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I have a friend who plays a lot of azir (djano if you want to look him up) he does a somewhat unconventional build on him, I've actually done practice matches against it and can say its extremely oppressive and can control a game. I could believe in the right hands azir is still very viable. Maybe you just need to change up your playstyle

Only problem is going a build like that when you're actually high elo doesn't work. He basically has 0 defense against burst, plus a item 3089 does way more damage than a 3rd item 3115 so no idea why he builds 3.

Cubíx1 votes

He builds the stingers for more AS. Azir strives better on autos that do good damage that are really fast compared to autos that do great damage but slower. Mathematically after a certain time with in a trade, I think he said like 3 secs, he is dealing more damage to his opponent compared to the usual builds people do.

Lord Azır1 votes

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He builds the stingers for more AS. Azir strives better on autos that do good damage that are really fast compared to autos that do great damage but slower. Mathematically after a certain time with in a trade, I think he said like 3 secs, he is dealing more damage to his opponent compared to the usual builds people do.

Well he's wrong, Deathcap is better than a 3rd Stinger 100% of the time. I use to run a similar build last year / early this year.

http://plays.tv/video/573f41dfa495240f25/1v4-quadra-kill?from=user

Except this is high diamond elo not low plat.

I'm a Diamond 3 Azir main with 910,000 mastery points. I know which build is better and that he got the build from Aqua Dragon's build on mobafire.

Cubíx1 votes

I mean maybe the third nashor's is a little excessive, and yes he uses mobafire commonly but if you look over the math on aqua dragons post it seems to show results. I'm just saying.

and impressive play btw

Lord Azır1 votes

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I mean maybe the third nashor's is a little excessive, and yes he uses mobafire commonly but if you look over the math on aqua dragons post it seems to show results. I'm just saying.

and impressive play btw

I've talked to Aqua Dragon quite a bit we're in the same Azir club. He agrees that deathcap is way better for damage. He only builds triple nashors on his bot lane "ADC" Azir to push towers better because it's cheaper.

Cubíx1 votes

That's fair, as you probably checked, I don't play any azir so I can't argue what my friend should or shouldn't build. I simply know the numbers, but the first two nashor's "teeth" are a good build, no?

Lord Azır1 votes

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That's fair, as you probably checked, I don't play any azir so I can't argue what my friend should or shouldn't build. I simply know the numbers, but the first two nashor's "teeth" are a good build, no?

2 Nashor's yes, but only in lower elo because if you don't get a defensive item as I was saying. Your build is

item 3006 item 3115 item 3116 item 3089 item 3135 item 3115

Meaning if they have any assassins / burst you're basically done if your team doesn't peel for you perfectly.

Cubíx1 votes

That makes a lot of sense, I tend to play assassins, mostly kha'zix, and I have come across plenty of azir that can be taken down quickly. And looking over aqua dragons math I see that 2 teeth with the rabadons, has the highest DPS. I'll be sure to talk to my friend about this, thanks for the insight.

Lord Azır2 votes

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That makes a lot of sense, I tend to play assassins, mostly kha'zix, and I have come across plenty of azir that can be taken down quickly. And looking over aqua dragons math I see that 2 teeth with the rabadons, has the highest DPS. I'll be sure to talk to my friend about this, thanks for the insight.

Let him also know that HP regen / 5 Quints heal way more than spell vamp quints with Azir at all basically points of the game.

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