@RiotRepertoir, why is Annie allowed in her current state?

Matt The Hero·8/13/2015, 9:05:09 PM·4 votes·779 views

I've made extensive posts on this subject before, but why is Annie allowed to be? She's full of disgusting hidden power, un-fun mechanics, and a boring identity. I shouldn't have to list some of the most maddening abilities she has, but I will anyway:

  • 4th E mid 3rd-Q, giving the stun to the Q that is already on its (un-dodgeable) way
  • Constant zone control when her stun is up, sacrificing only the ability to use offensive skills (a meager trade-off, considering they're all short-range and she'd only be using them to instant burst someone anyway)
  • One of the most disgusting, unfun burst combos in the game, countered only by "don't be in the full range of flash Tibbers"

This isn't even to touch on the fact that her identity sucks. Riot was quoted in the patch where they either buffed Tibbers movespeed or gave him Annie's shield, that Annie's identity was "bear mage". Explain to me what screams bear mage about Annie blowing up 5 people with fire attacks. Tibbers has literally no impact outside of his stun and initial damage. He's entirely front-loaded. Annie isn't a bear mage, she's a fire mage, something that Brand already is. Tibbers could be literally any other particle (a meteor, a train, a literal nuke) and Annie would still be the same character.

If Annie can't get a full overhaul, I feel she could at least lose some power places and gain it elsewhere. I don't think her 1-2-3-4 stun should be permanent. I think she should lose it if she doesn't use it. Where's the strategy in spamming W in fountain before walking into lane?

If Annie is ever looked at in terms of freshening up and reworking, make Tibbers an actual presence. As a bear mage, shouldn't the fear of Annie's ult be "well shit, now I have to face this big scary bear!", not "I better not walk into flash-Tibbers range or else my team dies". Really? The most fearful part of GIANT FLAMING BEAR APPEARING OUT OF NOWHERE is the fact that he stuns you? After his spawn, he is nothing. Surely a bear should be a real problem in a teamfight? Not right now. He's just the opening volley. Afterwards, he might as well not exist.

EDIT: MarkedOfKane suggested this about Tibbers:

^ Have her throw tibbers and then he crashes down on the area. Low CD, high damage, AOE stuns, point and click.

Simple change to make Annie less of a frustration.

9 Comments

iConcy8/13/2015, 9:16:21 PM3 votes

Someone at Riot almost cared what you had to say.

Aeolian Melodies8/13/2015, 11:57:20 PM3 votes

When you look at what has been done to other champions:

  • Support Zyra too stronk and too popular: let's nerf her with no regards for her intended lane (mid)
  • Solo lane Lulu too stronk and too popular: let's nerf her with no regards for her intended lane (bot lane support)
  • Support Annie fucking unBEARable as support: let's give her 10 compensatory buffs every time we give her a tap on the wrist so we actually end up making her even stronger because we don't want to screw up her mid lane where she is "balanced" because she has "counters", even though NO ONE's been playing her for like 2 seasons straight

She's an extremely frustrating champion to play against because there is nothing you can do against her being mathematically able to kill you. She has enough damage to burst you? Don't be within the range of flash + Tibbers - good luck having gold and xp. I don't understand how a champion with so little counterplay hasn't been gutted and reworked yet.

  • Taric with point and click stun and no real threatening burst to follow up on his own; kept in a shitty state and in line for a full rework because "it's not good design"
  • Leblanc and Kassadin having their SINGLE TARGET SILENCE removed because "it's not cool when they burst and silence you and you can't fight back", meanwhile Annie does that to WHOLE TEAM with also not letting them a chance to MOVE away

Can someone tell me why in the HELL Annie is so special that she deserves such a privileged treatment? Like, what exactly in a kit so binary and unfun by EVERY SINGLE RIOT STANDARD is actually worth preserving THIS MUCH that you'd fuck over bot lane for so long with her without seriously addressing the situation with actual nerfs or better yet a rework?

  • GIVE TIBBERS A TRAVEL TIME (Corki bomb style) which thematically makes sense as she's supposed to throw Tibbers and give him life.
  • MAKE HER STUN DECAY OVER TIME so support Annie, who unlike solo lane Annie does not need to farm and control a creep wave, can't just dance around with her stun up zoning you because you don't want to get clicked and bursted
  • MAKE IT SO ONLY SPELLS THAT HIT A TARGET GRANT STACKS so she can't just spam Molten Shield in lane for nearly no mana and build it up and whiff Ws in fountain for free AoE stun at lvl 1 (fucking ridiculous enough that she has Sona's ult on a normal ability...)
  • MAKE IS SO W IS A PROJECTILE that Yasuo and Braum can block, there is NO REASON Sona's ult and Kassadin's E are projectiles but this isn't
  • MAKE IS SO ONLY TIBBERS STUNS AND Q-W SLOW because having a stun up so often is stupid
  • GIVE HER ACTUAL MANA COSTS AND CDS so she can't just spam spells in lane with no regards for that weird blue bar over her head
  • Especially INCREASE TIBBERS' CD because the fact that Tibbers can have a 100% uptime is RIDICULOUS.

Your pick. A couple or even just one (depending on which option is chosen) of those will make her tolerable.

Oh, yeah.

I know why this hasn't been done already.

#bigplays because hur dur Sivir ult + item 3800 + summoner 4 Tibbers IS SO FUCKING FUN TO WATCH EVERY TIME IT'S UP AMIRITE.

LadyRenly8/14/2015, 3:40:14 AM1 votes

I much prefer "pyromaniac pyromancer" than "bear mage". it's just kind of there, but she only sees play because of the bloody bear