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Shen's E should cost less energy as you rank it up, 180 is too much in late game extended fights.

Coletrain1·Feb 13, 2016·53 votes·1,912 views

I find it strange that even though Shen has 400 energy and his skills cost over twice as much as some other champions, he still only gets the same amount of energy regen as other champions. With that said the fact that his Q will return more energy in total than it costs (assuming you get all 3 procs off) makes it's somewhat manageable, but once you get around 20% CDR I find myself running out of energy despite my best efforts to keep an eye on it.

Since his late game is already his strong point I wouldn't want to buff it TOO much, but bringing his E down to around 140 would be enough to make it more manageable. Either that or give him more base energy regen, or bump the energy return on his Q & E by 10.

Also I know most people think Shen is super weak right now, but I've actually had a ton of success with him in the Jungle... it feels like that's where he belongs now.

19 Comments

FawkseaFeb 13, 20164 votes

i complained so much about this when i noticed it, he gets energy back but you lose the amount of fun of having a lot of cdr and just having big escapes with him! plus the "double his energy but not his regen" doesnt make sense to me at all

Coletrain1Feb 13, 20161 votes

Yeah in the Jungle I've been going 20% worth of CDR/lvl Glyphs & 1 Quint + Lucidity Boots & Spirit Visage for 40% CDR + Rylais for Perma-slow. I can constantly keep my Q up but using any other abilities is impossible since you don't always get all 3 Q procs off in the middle of a fight.

Starting a fight off by Taunt + Flashing 2-3 people really helps with this because you'll get 80-120 Energy back instantly from that, but it's rare that you'll get such a good taunt off.

Shuriman CuratorFeb 13, 20161 votes

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Yeah in the Jungle I've been going 20% worth of CDR/lvl Glyphs & 1 Quint + Lucidity Boots & Spirit Visage for 40% CDR + Rylais for Perma-slow. I can constantly keep my Q up but using any other abilities is impossible since you don't always get all 3 Q procs off in the middle of a fight.

Starting a fight off by Taunt + Flashing 2-3 people really helps with this because you'll get 80-120 Energy back instantly from that, but it's rare that you'll get such a good taunt off.

I play Shen mid and top and yet to take him jungle. I tried Rylais on Shen in a custom and it does work well. What build do you typically run in the jungle? Also somewhat off topic but have you tried wits end on the new Shen? Just winding cause I have and to be honest I don't think it fits him anymore..

Coletrain1Feb 13, 20161 votes

I've tried every Jungle build I can think of and the only decent one is the Rylai's build. My usual build is Lucidity Boots, Cinderhulk, Rylais, Thornmail, Spirit Visage. For 6th item you can go Warmog's or Randuin's, I really like Warmog's because it allows you to pop in and out of fights. I think Shen is one of the few champions in which it actually makes sense to build Warmog's as a core item. With that said if they have something like a triple ADC comp or a Tryndamere/Vayne/Yasuo on their team then I recommend building Randuin's last.

You should also take attack speed reds, 2 attack speed quints, 1 CDR/lvl Quint, 9x CDR/lvl glyphs, 9x Armor seals, and 0/12/18 masteries.

Shuriman CuratorFeb 13, 20161 votes

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I've tried every Jungle build I can think of and the only decent one is the Rylai's build. My usual build is Lucidity Boots, Cinderhulk, Rylais, Thornmail, Spirit Visage. For 6th item you can go Warmog's or Randuin's, I really like Warmog's because it allows you to pop in and out of fights. I think Shen is one of the few champions in which it actually makes sense to build Warmog's as a core item. With that said if they have something like a triple ADC comp or a Tryndamere/Vayne/Yasuo on their team then I recommend building Randuin's last.

You should also take attack speed reds, 2 attack speed quints, 1 CDR/lvl Quint, 9x CDR/lvl glyphs, 9x Armor seals, and 0/12/18 masteries.

Cool I'm going to have to try that out, thanks!

WickedCrowFeb 14, 20161 votes

Have you tried Devourer and Titanic into full tank build? Its kinda slow, especially if you get knocked behind, but the burst you can get off of his Q and Titanic is incredible and you can stay tanky enough to power through teamfights.

AlphadefFeb 14, 20163 votes

It wouldn't really make much sense to double his energy regen considering that would be counter intuitive to doubling his energy max and cost.

AzteryzFeb 13, 20163 votes

did you hear about the buff to jungle shen where his e works on monsters now? :D

Coletrain1Feb 13, 20167 votes

Yeah that is literally the most pointless change, his clear is already fine and I doubt I'll even use E to clear since it costs 180 energy and you will only do 50 damage at lvl 1 and you only get 20 energy back per monster hit.

Dar RaksadaFeb 13, 20167 votes

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Yeah that is literally the most pointless change, his clear is already fine and I doubt I'll even use E to clear since it costs 180 energy and you will only do 50 damage at lvl 1 and you only get 20 energy back per monster hit.

it's great for getting scuttle though.

RalanrFeb 13, 20161 votes

Man, scuttle is annoying.

MelledoneusFeb 13, 20163 votes

http://imgur.com/1kFVxB5 Walking casually Shen "AHA! Come here!" http://imgur.com/1kFVxB5 Screams and dashes away Shen Shifts into Yellow Jacket Shen "COME HERE!" Dashes at Scuttle Crab

BârdFeb 14, 20161 votes

Rivershen

TeCoolMageFeb 14, 20161 votes

I thought it was good

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __

Until I remembered it was a taunt

Imperial JapanFeb 13, 20162 votes

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I find it strange that even though Shen has 400 energy and his skills cost over twice as much as some other champions, he still only gets the same amount of energy regen as other champions. With that said the fact that his Q will return more energy in total than it costs (assuming you get all 3 procs off) makes it's somewhat manageable, but once you get around 20% CDR I find myself running out of energy despite my best efforts to keep an eye on it.

Since his late game is already his strong point I wouldn't want to buff it TOO much, but bringing his E down to around 140 would be enough to make it more manageable. Either that or give him more base energy regen, or bump the energy return on his Q & E by 10.

Also I know most people think Shen is super weak right now, but I've actually had a ton of success with him in the Jungle... it feels like that's where he belongs now.

Have you tried old Shen jg? Cus that was the shiz. Rip.. Old Shen

QchanFeb 13, 20161 votes

Yeah I agree for the most part, a few changes to energy regen/energy gain to his e would be a nice buff.

I also had no idea people thought Shen was weak, he's an amazing duelist top lane, as long as you're not fighting ranged.

junglerboy16Feb 14, 20161 votes

The whole point is to make shen want to get into a fight and stay in a fight. All of the other energy users have energy replenishes that restore a portion of what they spent, where Shen can restore more than he spent. Other Energy champs are forced to fight in bursts, where Shen is encouraged to fight for a very extended time.

If you use Q late game, you restore 120 total energy (using all three hits on an enemy champ) having only spent 100. That means you can actually get more energy back for staying in a fight as opposed to pulling off a combo.

The new Shen is a utility fighter, not a tank, and you should be playing him as such.

WolfBVFeb 14, 20161 votes

Possible buff(?) at level 9 gain 25 energy region per 5. At level 18 gain another 25 energy region per 5. Or increase his energy pool by 100-200 every 9 levels.

Hay5eedFeb 14, 20161 votes

Everytime I rank up a Shen ability I feel like I opened a Christmas present and there was nothing inside. The only one that feels like it does anything is leveling his Q. Shadow dash? CD and damage Spirit Refuge? CD...thats it/

What if leveling his Spirit Refuge increased the AOE of it? Or the duration? What if leveling his Shadow dash increased his range? What if taunted enemies did less damage to Shen (a percentage that also scales with level)?

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