Why in the world would you BUFF RENEKTON??

LeatherfaceTom·Apr 18, 2019·54 votes·16,429 views

Okay i've actually had it with Riot and their buffs/nerfs, they literally don't care about ANYTHING except how a champion performs in Pro matches. If a champion isnt chose for ages, they buff them, likewise if a champion does good in the pro-scene, they nerf them, its ridiculous.

The latest, buffing Renekton, an already overpowered champion in my opinion as a top main. This is a lane bully who supposedly "is designed to win the lane but falls off in the late game", well sorry but that is just stupid. Darius is a lane bully, as is Garen, Riven and Irelia, all strong champs who have ways of winning against them, but with Renekton, nothing works. Try to outdamage him? no chance, try to go full tank? He will just pop his ult and out trade and sustain you with his stupid heal. Try to kite him? he will just double dash towards you. stun and boom you're dead. And NOW riot decides to BUFF him?

Say what you want about me being a noob etc. Ive been aplying league for over 8 years on various accounts so I know a thing or two about the game.

70 Comments

MordepoolApr 18, 201917 votes

The guy has assassin level burst.

EonslegacyApr 18, 20192 votes

He is an assassin. He just has sustain so people build him tankier. His kit plays exactly like yasuo or aatrox, until yas gets to right click and aatrox gets to....... oh yea dumpstered.

DontLewdOriannaApr 19, 20193 votes

So.. He's not a assassin?

Z3SleeperApr 19, 20192 votes

I mean, Rammus is basically an assassin too. He just builds tankier because armor works really well on him.

EonslegacyApr 21, 20191 votes

His playstyle is that of talons thats all im implying.

wolviusApr 18, 20199 votes

He doesn't have a 50% winrate which seems to be the new metric for balance......its not like some champs deserve to be ~~dumpstered~~ cauterised in starfire because they make you want to scoop your eyeballs out with toothpicks or make you feel like an asthmatic having a holiday in Tartarus every time you face them.

RagnaveilApr 18, 20198 votes

Ren imo pales to what Riven and Jax can do, even if he matches them item to item, rune to rune.

A Real TrollApr 18, 20197 votes

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Ren imo pales to what Riven and Jax can do, even if he matches them item to item, rune to rune.

This. You play smart against the croc, he gets behind, there is nothing he can do. Riven can make amazing comebacks and has no indicator of when she is weak.

EonslegacyApr 18, 20191 votes

She gives up damage for mobility(comparatively riven isnt low damage), and she relies on that mobility to remain viable when she is behind. Its a solid argument, that makes her pretty at least useful at all stages. Croc however, i dont see him as ever being weak, he doesnt have the bases to be "weak" he might not be the thing the team needs tho. He offers single target HIGH hard cc and massive aoe damage. Thats not always what you need when behind tho so he can feel useless.

SaiannaApr 19, 20196 votes

Riven gives up 0 damage for her mobility. When she was relased she was new-gen type of champion that had only plusses and synergies in her kit.

Old type champions used to pay for whatever strenghts they had. Rivens only possible weakness she had, HP regen, was covered by hydra -her rush item, and her shield.

Even when Riven is far behind, she can still burst anything below 2k HP with relative ease (as long as Riven player knows AA-cancelling).

RagnaveilApr 19, 20191 votes

Whats funny is, she doesnt have to rush hydra anymore. They buffed her hp regen patches ago, meaning that one weakness doesn't exist. She currently has none outside of cooldowns, but her damage is enough to make that weakness non-existent early.

EonslegacyApr 18, 20192 votes

Sadly no, renektons bases are far higher and his scaling. His cds are far higher to compensate but the spear removed that problem. Renektons damage is always the highest among ad ability based champions outside of zeds single target.

RagnaveilApr 18, 20193 votes

Spear, oh wow. Try playing Ren with Spear vs Jax with Spear, you wont win.

BestealApr 19, 20191 votes

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Spear, oh wow. Try playing Ren with Spear vs Jax with Spear, you wont win.

Ren vs Jax, oh wow. Try playing a lane bully against a scaling champion when they both have high cost items. Since you probably won't understand what I'm trying to say, let me explain.

Spear is expensive, and therefore takes a while to build up towards. Jax does not build Spear first. By the time both champs have spears, Jax has gone through his powerspikes, and Renekton has fallen off a bit. No shit Jax will win.

Smart comparison.

RagnaveilApr 19, 20191 votes

And that item is the only thing making Ren good. Long as the Jax player is smart, he will out trade the Ren every time, early and late. I was making the comparison because the person said Rens much better than Jax because Spear got rid of his problems when all it does is help him a bit.

Ravenous HowlsApr 20, 20192 votes

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Spear, oh wow. Try playing Ren with Spear vs Jax with Spear, you wont win.

You need some LS before you go spear on Jax. Renekton has built in Sustain and Conqueror basically nullifies Jax's ult. If Jax get BoRK or Gun Blade then he should be able to out duel Renekton. Jax also Scales way better the longer the game goes on.

EonslegacyApr 21, 20191 votes

Yep heres where jax starts winning.

RagnaveilApr 21, 20191 votes

Okay, but what is Conq giving right now? Oh thats right, sustain for your damage. And Legend: Bloodline exists, so he really wont need lifesteal as much (sure, it needs to stack but thats the easy part). A good Jax can beat any Ren if he does the right things to insure he will come out on top.

EonslegacyApr 21, 20191 votes

Autoattacks need not land for spear to proc its refund, and renektons sustain is far stronger than that of jaxes in the super trades that end up happening. Neither is tanky at spear alone either, so renekton has advantage till 2 or 3 items. Average renekton vs jax trade Renekton Eqs jax pushes R then walks on the outside of jaxes auto range, jax e q to renekton auto trades renekton walks away causing jax to stutter step or jax walks away, renekton pushes W and right clicks jax at a little over 1 second of E, jaxs E detonates and jax gets stunned by the last tick of renektons W for the full 1.5 seconds as renekton fully recovers. Renekton right click eq autos es out. Renekton wins trade.

RagnaveilApr 21, 20191 votes

Even if Ren decides to auto during Jax's E to use Spear's effect, he's feeding the Jax more damage ammunition for his E. The massive spike in sustain (outside of Aatrox's new changes, hes becoming like his old self but in a much healthier standard) has started to make early game weaknesses less and less apparent if you can run the holy rune combo of that champ's class (most are running Biscuits and Time Warp for better sustain). So saying Ren's sustain is better doesn't mean it makes him auto win. He has to blow 50 Fury just for that heal, which would remove the chance for him to use Fury W instead and do more damage and have a longer stun. He has drawbacks that are very strong around the resource. Jax however has "cds" as his main drawback outside of any other fighter without sustain's weakness (meaning its a general weakness) and that drawback has diminished over time with item cost changes, new items, new buildpaths, new items, runes, you name it.

SomeOneButNoOneApr 19, 20191 votes

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Ren imo pales to what Riven and Jax can do, even if he matches them item to item, rune to rune.

That doesn't mean they should buff Renekton. Also he does decently into jax, if he plays correctly, he can actually demolish jax since Jax has no sustain and renekton has an in-out type of trading.

Riven same thing. Except on Spear Of Shojin, Riven becomes r%%%%%ed.

RagnaveilApr 19, 20191 votes

"No sustain" Then what's Conq? Whats biscuits? Do they not grant sustain along with the one item Jax starts on, Corrupting? Sustain has heavily crept into runes a good bit. For comparison, why are Mages so good when they dont have sustain (excluding Vlad from this)? Oh thats right, Dark Seal + Corrupting removes that weakness almost, and Biscuits are by far the most broken sub rune for Inspiration atm because of how good they heal and restore mana.

Ravenous HowlsApr 18, 20197 votes

It's because of the grievous wound buff on thornmail and bramble vest. They gave him more sustain to help off set the fact that the grievous wounds now applies for 3 seconds. If you play safe early and get some health and early bramble he's manageable.

Z3SleeperApr 20, 20192 votes

Bramble doesn't stop Rene. If you build Bramble vs Rene it just means he has to Q before using W and not use Q on minions for 3s after hitting you. It really doesn't affect him outside all-ins, which he only goes for if you're within his burst range anyway.

Your only real option here is to just not interact with him, similar to the current cancer top laners. Just don't let him snowball by never giving him the chance. Give up CS when you're within his E range, it's just not worth it.

Ravenous HowlsApr 20, 20191 votes

Most Renekton's are not that smart in my experience but I do agree the heal feels largely too strong and Bramble is not a good rush item on most champions. I've actually been banning Renekton over Darius due to this fact.

A Real TrollApr 18, 20194 votes

Apparently you have been playing for 8 years but don't know how to counterplay. Just be aware of creep positions when you want to trade with him and his rage bar. Rage bar down? trade all day? creeps in a bad spot for him to double dash and get away? Trade all day.

MetalGearTeemoApr 18, 201910 votes

I guess when Cancer Croc was meta and we had the "Renekton bar" in toplane it was because of all the counterplay he had right?

MysticShakerApr 19, 20191 votes

I've been warching your posts and you defend Rito in every of them. How much do they pay?

A Real TrollApr 19, 20191 votes

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I've been warching your posts and you defend Rito in every of them. How much do they pay?

lmao.. how exactly do I defend riot with every post? Most times I call them out for ineptitude. While the Renekton buff was not entirely necessary, it's not like he is un-counterable if you play your cards right.

5050BSApr 18, 20194 votes

Pro play or someone at Riot likes to play him.

SgtAwesomenessApr 18, 20194 votes

They stopped caring about balance a long time ago

I'm just playing till I stop having fun

Jennifer420Apr 19, 20194 votes

3 letters MSI riot wants to see this beast as its a top lane favorit for the viewers

DyrreahApr 18, 20193 votes

Because he is one of the few toplaners who can affect the game with his lead while not having 4 dashes and aoe stun and shield. Fuck you Riven.

General Esdeath Apr 19, 20192 votes

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Because he is one of the few toplaners who can affect the game with his lead while not having 4 dashes and aoe stun and shield. Fuck you Riven.

Oh no he just affects the game with a lead by having 2 dashes, armor shred, stun, and an ult that gives more max HP while dealing magic aoe damage and healing any damage you do

Get off the hate train

VoraciousXApr 18, 20193 votes

I don't know why they keep buffing this guy. Like I mean sure, at one point he was somewhat weak to where I could actually fight him when I played against him. But they already kept buffing him back to the point where you just have to sit there and cry in top lane until he gets tired of stepping on your corpse and decides to go to another lane where he can get more gold and you're allowed a small reprieve, that is, until you get to his tower and he's like "Nope, you're not becoming relevant", and that was before they buffed him this time. If they wanna buff him, that's fine, just remove that cancerous stun that goes through even while he's stunned, making it impossible to actually win a trade vs him. They won't though, because they know that's the only reason he's such a strong champion.

Forsaken LaneApr 19, 20193 votes

Fairly weak champ with limited impact in the mid to late game w/out a massive lead. The buffs don't change his jarring weaknesses (kitability/flash reliance/medium to long cool downs/telegraphed trading patterns). The changes are nice at helping him dominate the side lane for maybe a few to several more minutes of game time but is a bit weaker in assisting his early laning. WR is heavily indicative of champion performance. Not considering the "fun factor". But I personally don't find his trading pattern that toxic (UNTIL he gets spear which is a separate design discussion).

If you really look at the numbers, the empowered healing cap early on is quite low (50 more hp), but scales decently to an increase of 150 before any additional modifiers (spirit visage/DD's/etc). I think it's honestly fair to give him this tad bit more survivability/sustain in such a damage heavy meta especially for those late game teamfights. It's a relatively healthy buff that doesn't actually contribute more damage to the game.

HEALING VS CHAMPIONS :: 9/13.5/18/22.5/27 >>> 12/18/24/30/36 EMPOWERED HEALING VS CHAMPIONS :: 27/40.5/54/67.5/81 >>> 36/54/72/90/108 EMPOWERED HEALING CAP :: 150/225/300/375/450 >>> 200/300/400/500/600

pickcollinsJul 18, 20191 votes

Kitability?! KITABILITY?? No champ with a 2 part dash is fucking kitable.

Crescent DuskApr 19, 20193 votes

He wouldn't be so bad if he actually fell off and spear of shojin didn't exist in this game.

As it is Renekton feels like a Nasus who didn't need to farm and is strong from lv1. Plus he has a long duration stun and more mobility to boot so he's a raid boss with ult up and has 2 dashes to get in and blow up the enemy ADC.

In lane his healing is so dumb, because you can try to trade back when his stun is down and he'll still outsustain you with that Q heal.

He's the braindead version of Riven.

OneMustFallApr 19, 20193 votes

Because he was weak in all stages of the game and needed buffs.

VectrosApr 19, 20193 votes

Years experience doesn't necessarily correlate to skill and knowledge. Been playing for 9 years, so if our game experience is what we're going by, then Renekton is fine and actually needs buffs.

No really, I don't even remember the last time I even saw a Renekton, let alone why you're worried about him. Can he get annoying? Sure, but he does fall off pretty hard. I've lost lanes to him in the past but won the game because the enemy didn't capitalize on it.

ISoul Of CinderIApr 19, 20193 votes

Riots new how to trigger fiora mains: step 1. Buff fiora and give them hope. Step 2. Buff renekton who fucks her over completly - > success another bunch of people complaining about how shit the balancing team is!

LordGeovanniApr 19, 20192 votes

Pros still pick/ ban Darius and Veigar right?

5StackUltOneShotApr 19, 20192 votes

Theyve been buffing Fiora over the last couple patches purely for duels completely ignoring the fact that her problem is that she cant splitpush for shit. Renektons being buffed and Riven/Jax are still the gods of toplane.

Its such cancer man, I used to hate seeing the occasional Tryndamere/Kennen but this is something else.

Haze97Apr 19, 20191 votes

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Theyve been buffing Fiora over the last couple patches purely for duels completely ignoring the fact that her problem is that she cant splitpush for shit. Renektons being buffed and Riven/Jax are still the gods of toplane.

Its such cancer man, I used to hate seeing the occasional Tryndamere/Kennen but this is something else.

Fiora is dogshit by design. She's a champion who was made to 1v1 but pretty much every other skirnisher 1v1's better than her late game. You will never see her beat a Tryndamere, Jax, or Master Yi once it's around 25 mins in the game. She also takes towers slowee than any other skirmisher and I only play her while I am facing a matchup such as Illaoi into who I cannot play Jax.

DarkmoonDianaApr 19, 20192 votes

renekton with conq and spirit visage might possibly be the tankiest champion in the game right now. all he needs is a black cleaver for damage and he can go full tank, still one shot people but outheal an entire team focusing him because riot are trying to make every bruiser a drain tank for some fking reason. Like, tanks not only do less damage, but cannot heal back the damage either, bruisers just 1 shot and heal through a teams focus because ya know, reasons.

letsfeedtogetherApr 18, 20191 votes

He's probably getting a skin soon

mack9112Apr 18, 20195 votes

They nerfed zed the same patch he is getting a skin ...

letsfeedtogetherApr 19, 20191 votes

Jesus i was joking

RazelthApr 19, 2019

Give up CS and play to not die. If he double dashes onto you, chances are he either wasted some fury or he can only use one empowered ability. If he does that you can easily win an all-in so long as no one has started the snowball. Renekton doesn't win by just all inning at the beginning, he uses his first E to engage and chunk you with empowered abilities, then disengage with his second E or else he loses in a sustained trade.

LovelleApr 19, 20191 votes

He has been playing this game since at least season 2, I'm sure he knows how to deal with Renekton. The issue is that Riot is buffing another champion with a problematic kit.