Ashe and Sivir are properly balanced ADCs

hoganftw·Feb 9, 2018·11 votes·1,374 views

It's a shame they exist in such a meta where hypercarries basically reach their powerspike after IE and shiv.

27 Comments

chipndip1Feb 9, 20187 votes

No, they're weak adcs you don't mind because they're weak adcs. If Ashe was one of the stronger picks atm, you wouldn't be saying this.

AhristocatsFeb 9, 20185 votes

sivir weak?

LUL

chipndip1Feb 9, 20183 votes

[{quoted}](name=Je suis Rubick,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XmEU9Mm9,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-02-09T21:16:34.848+0000)

sivir weak?

LUL

She's not strong, that's for sure. She's..."aight". The point is that this thread isn't a post about their designs at all. It's a post about their current power level, so it's basically pointless. If they were top tier picks instead, this would be a rage thread.

AhristocatsFeb 9, 20182 votes

First let me tell that Sivir's design is not the pinacle of good adc design she hardcounters some champions while being bad in other match ups

Second, Sivir IS strong, what is strong for you?

Sivir is not varus/xayah/tristana, but she can still work which means she is strong, because the opposite of strong is weak

no adc is weak right now except lucian (even after buffs) jhin (even after buffs) ashe and kog (who should not be buffed but reworked)

DiG JJFeb 9, 20181 votes

I wouldn't call someone with one of the shortest AA ranges "good" or even necessarily "good" design.

AhristocatsFeb 9, 20181 votes

thanks god she has 500 range the adc that has i don't know how much movement speed with ult, passive, and phantom dancer PLUS has a spellshield

sivir is literally kalista but with a spellshield, and instead of saving a single dude she can save an entire team

saltranFeb 10, 20181 votes

That's ... not right, as someone who used to play Sivir she isn't even close to Kalista lol. And trying to compare a second life to your supp (+engage if the supp wants) to Sivir ulti is straight up stupid.

chipndip1Feb 9, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=Je suis Rubick,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XmEU9Mm9,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2018-02-09T21:22:56.097+0000)

First let me tell that Sivir's design is not the pinacle of good adc design she hardcounters some champions while being bad in other match ups

That's not a bad thing in a strategic game.

Second, Sivir IS strong, what is strong for you?

In my opinion, strong was Trist, Kog, Xayah, and Varus. Bot lane only has room for up to 4 top tiers at once, so that's about it for me. She could be strong right now and I just don't know, since Kog has apparently been bopped off. Up till now, though, she's been "aight" in my mind. Not bad at all, but not some big shit popping in bot lane.

Sivir is not varus/xayah/tristana, but she can still work which means she is strong, because the opposite of strong is weak

So I think we're on the same page. I guess my wording was strong. I didn't mean to imply she was weak, either.

no adc is weak right now except lucian (even after buffs) jhin (even after buffs) ashe and kog (who should not be buffed but reworked)

AND QUINN!!!!!!!

Attticus FinchFeb 10, 20181 votes

"but she can still work which means she is strong, because the opposite of strong is weak"

What the fuck?

Dasdi96Feb 9, 20187 votes

Ashe is one of the most balanced champions in the game. She does enough dps to threaten a tank over a long period of time, and is useful when behind because of utility. Unfortunately, with other hyper carries able to delete half your team in the first 3 seconds, she feels useless. Since her first basic attack is never a crit, she doesn't do burst damage.

ChaddyFantomeFeb 10, 20181 votes

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is one of the most balanced champions in the game. She does enough dps to threaten a tank over a long period of time, and is useful when behind because of utility. Unfortunately, with other hyper carries able to delete half your team in the first 3 seconds, she feels useless. Since her first basic attack is never a crit, she doesn't do burst damage.

I can agree to this. It never feels like Bullshit playing against an Ashe.

RexxieeFeb 9, 20185 votes

What? Ashe is trash tier.

If every adc was like ashe adcs would be the worst role in the game.

hoganftwFeb 9, 20186 votes

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What? Ashe is trash tier.

If every adc was like ashe adcs would be the worst role in the game.

ADCs need clear strengths and weaknesses besides "they're squishy". Ashe at the very least has those going for her. It's what makes her an actual champion and not a raw damage machine with all the bells and whistles like Tristana.

FlameHalbrdOkidoFeb 10, 20181 votes

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ADCs need clear strengths and weaknesses besides "they're squishy". Ashe at the very least has those going for her. It's what makes her an actual champion and not a raw damage machine with all the bells and whistles like Tristana.

well said, we could use a person like u in this discussion

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/lT3B52ki-in-my-opinion-for-marksmen-to-be-a-healthier-class-riot-should-flesh-out-their-gameplay-niche?comment=0043

KaìjuFeb 9, 20182 votes

Ashe player with almost 1 million mastery chiming in, she is pretty bad right now. She has an actual power curve that isn't hard exponential, so she scales like a normal human being and not a freak of nature.

The issue is that she's bad because she isn't abuse of crit. And so the only ways to make her on par is buff the fuck out of her and break her or nerf almost every other marksman.

Darkin HybridFeb 9, 20182 votes

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What? Ashe is trash tier.

If every adc was like ashe adcs would be the worst role in the game.

What about Jinx ?

Did the buff's help her at all?

AhristocatsFeb 9, 20182 votes

50.8% win rate 12% pick rate

Yes

chipndip1Feb 9, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=Je suis Rubick,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XmEU9Mm9,comment-id=000000020000,timestamp=2018-02-09T21:41:53.040+0000)

50.8% win rate 12% pick rate

Yes

Filtered for Diamond on Lolalytics, if anything...I'd say no. She's hardly scraping 50%.

I think the early AD nerfs checked anything of value she gained from the changes. Regardless of Riot's fiddling, it just doesn't change the fact that it's too hard to give her direct power when she's just so generalized in application.

AhristocatsFeb 9, 20181 votes

you're aware that diamond n lolalytics has some of 7.2 in it the patch where kog didn't get nerfed

also 50% win rate 10% pick rate IS VERY GOOD

those poeple jesus, you want your champion to have 52% win rate? i would be glad if darius had 50% win rate+10% pick rate

meanwhile jhin can go to fcking hell

chipndip1Feb 9, 20183 votes

[{quoted}](name=Je suis Rubick,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XmEU9Mm9,comment-id=00000002000000000000,timestamp=2018-02-09T23:01:34.362+0000)

you're aware that diamond n lolalytics has some of 7.2 in it the patch where kog didn't get nerfed?

You're saying that Jinx will see more favor now that Kog's out of the picture?

Maybe, but even if she does, I don't want her to run wild like she did in season 5, otherwise the solution to that will be like the solution from season 5...and that feels bad, man.

ModWulf HelhammerFeb 9, 20183 votes

where hypercarries basically reach their powerspike after IE and shiv.

No they don't. Your post is bad and you should feel bad

ElohavenFeb 9, 20182 votes

Weak isn't balanced. Lmao.

Leona+Ashe is still a cancerous lane matchup.

ChaddyFantomeFeb 10, 20188 votes

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Weak isn't balanced. Lmao.

Leona+Ashe is still a cancerous lane matchup.

But thats mostly the Leona's Fault. And she is cancer as a whole lol.

Colton147Feb 9, 20181 votes

Jinx item 3070

Pretty much the only hypercarry that is trash.

no to toxicFeb 10, 20181 votes

Look at these 2 trash adc champs they are balanced. Look at Quinn she is also a balanced adc. Ivern is probably the most balanced champion in the game after he cant do anything anymore. God why cant every champ be like them.