Veigar is actually well balanced now

arbokfister·Feb 25, 2015·337 votes·11,021 views

Landing his stun vs bots is easy since they run in a straight line back to base so you should be able to stomp bots. Win vs bots, collect ip, buy any other champion and then play and win vs real opponents

227 Comments

TapDattFeb 26, 201572 votes

Sweet, now I can use my $15 skin while I roflstomp bots. Thank you based Riot!

GunpointFeb 26, 20156 votes

Shuda opted for his best skin, Veigar Greybeard.

Freakin Sad PonyFeb 26, 201521 votes

IM literally changing games because im so sick of riot fucking changes not making any sense, there was nothing wrong with veigar - there was SO MANY champs that needed nerfing and they just royally screw him over.

The StrykerFeb 26, 20155 votes

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IM literally changing games because im so sick of riot fucking changes not making any sense, there was nothing wrong with veigar - there was SO MANY champs that needed nerfing and they just royally screw him over.

His late game is still decent, but good luck getting to late game when his lane and mid game now suck lol

Lord Graves IIIFeb 26, 20153 votes

His lane sucked already....

His lane is actually better, since his stun is still almost as strong when used defensively and his Q got a couple hundred range.

HakavayFeb 26, 20157 votes

Stun is almost as strong? As what, Sona auto attacks? .75 of Kat spinning on you is the difference between maybe living and dying. Same with Akali. Same with ______. Veigar has about as much defense as Varus now, must be a V-thing.

Auz the RipperFeb 26, 20154 votes

Nah, it isn't a "V" thing Vi's as tanky as ever

ArdondFeb 27, 20153 votes

actually he has LESS defense then Varus because Varus has actual hard cc that you can hit.

Lord Graves IIIFeb 26, 20154 votes

Have fun with whatever game you switch to.

Dota2, Smite, Infinite Crisis, or any number of other mobas would gladly have you. But you will be back.

JivvieFeb 26, 20159 votes

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Have fun with whatever game you switch to.

Dota2, Smite, Infinite Crisis, or any number of other mobas would gladly have you. But you will be back.

Funny that two of those are better in every way when it comes to balancing.

Humble FungusFeb 26, 20153 votes

I'm not sure you've ever actually played Veigar.... He's always had one of the WORST lane phases... He does so LITTLE dmg in early game and you spend a lot of mana farming your Q's... now you can farm 2 minions at a time w/ his Q's.

Personally... if you can get used to his new Q's.. it sounds like he's stronger in late game now. It just seems like it takes a little more skill to earn it since you have to land skill shots...

My advice.. stop missing your Q's.

-Edit- Yea... I forgot to mention the change to his stun... yea.. oh darn.. it takes .75 to pop the wall up.. oh well... it's still a pretty awesome cage of "DON'T GO THERE!!" It's still pretty inconvenient to deal with in team fights if your team isn't the one Veigar's on...

JunkοFeb 26, 201512 votes

Play against Zed, LB, Akali, etc.. and enjoy being turretdive with nothing you can do about it thanks to the new stun. Or you end up getting camped by junglers like Vi, Lee, Jarvan who can easilly turret dive you. have fun

Humble FungusFeb 26, 20153 votes

Not sure why you'd pick Veigar vs one of them in the first place... lmao

OrbvFeb 26, 201520 votes

If you main someone, you're willing to play them against the odds because it can only make you better and it less of a harsh counter.

Also sometimes you go into blind pick, or you draft first and nobody wants to trade you.

This season I've been maining Aatrox or Malphite as his replacement. They both have a ton of counters, but I've gotten significantly better and handling their weaknesses. It would help the fact if they suddenly just received changes that made it harder to handle.

HakavayFeb 26, 20154 votes

Because with skill you can still win. They are hard, sure, but Veigar had a chance. Now, no dice b/c of the useless stun.

Bardia the BardFeb 26, 20152 votes

he could hold his own before. it wasnt easy to hit a champ who has just used a gap closer with the edge of the ring and stun, but it was possible. now you just die.

HakavayFeb 26, 20153 votes

Correct on the Veigar, not sure who needs the nerfs in your eyes. I was terrified when I heard they were working on Veigar and I was right.

LyraSonaFeb 26, 20157 votes

His stun is now a skill shot, kinda like Ashe's ultimate. Learn to use it or whine forever. But it's not going to be your easy free kill anymore.

arbokfisterFeb 26, 201554 votes

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His stun is now a skill shot, kinda like Ashe's ultimate. Learn to use it or whine forever. But it's not going to be your easy free kill anymore.

Please don't troll my thread

LyraSonaFeb 26, 20156 votes

You can call the truth trolling if you want. Doesn't make you right.

RavaldyFeb 26, 201518 votes

You don't play Veigar and probably didn't understand his mechanics which is why you though he was OP.

And please, don't compare Veigar with Ash. They aren't even in the same category. All they had to do is reduce the cast range and increase the CD to balance the stun. The char is useless if he can't insta stun.

LyraSonaFeb 26, 20153 votes

Then I guess he's going to be useless then. Insta stuns with no skill required are not going to be tolerated anymore. This isn't noobcraft.

not a starburstFeb 26, 201518 votes

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This isn't noobcraft.

You aren't convincing me of that.

LyraSonaFeb 26, 20153 votes

If you want a stun, you have to earn it, just like Ashe does.

HidingOverHereFeb 26, 201517 votes

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If you want a stun, you have to earn it, just like Ashe does.

Ashe can just press R with cursor in the general direction of the enemy and bam stunned. Veigar now has to throw down a circle, Die , and hope an enemy is stupid enough to run into it.

LyraSonaFeb 26, 20154 votes

There are already posts on this forum of diamond players saying Veigar is fine. You can still stun people, but you can't force the edge of the gate on them. Face it, forcing the edge for a stun was not intended gameplay. You are supposed to catch a hero in the center, and then hope he or she runs into the edge. This is the intended gameplay.

The StrykerFeb 26, 20155 votes

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There are already posts on this forum of diamond players saying Veigar is fine. You can still stun people, but you can't force the edge of the gate on them. Face it, forcing the edge for a stun was not intended gameplay. You are supposed to catch a hero in the center, and then hope he or she runs into the edge. This is the intended gameplay.

Forcing the edge of the gate on them is the OPTIMAL gameplay. Without this, your enemy is free to kill you. I played the new veigar on PBE, and NO ONE that isn't a total dumbass will walk into the wall. It's just not happening. And while they increased the range, if the enemy is not directly in the center of the cage, they have the movespeed to walk right out of it. By moving. In a STRAIGHT LINE.

You cannot tell me that the intended gameplay is for your opponent to mess up horribly in order to do anything. That goes against pretty much all logic in a competitive game. You won't hit anyone above gold with this. Ever. Unless they happen to have 300 ping, in which case, it's just as balanced as before.

LyraSonaFeb 26, 20151 votes

Getting the enemy directly in the center of the cage is how you are supposed to aim it. They can't kill you if they are trapped in the cage and you are at a safe distance. Now you can attempt to use your W or call an ally for help. What is the problem?

The StrykerFeb 26, 20159 votes

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Getting the enemy directly in the center of the cage is how you are supposed to aim it. They can't kill you if they are trapped in the cage and you are at a safe distance. Now you can attempt to use your W or call an ally for help. What is the problem?

Keywords there: "If you are at a safe distance."

Veigar's ult range is not "at a safe distance."

You're saying, "Ok, I've successfully trapped someone in my cage. But they're not stunned, so they'll just kill me if I get close. Better just run away from my SUCCESSFULLY TRAPPED ENEMY!"

LyraSonaFeb 26, 20151 votes

If you're expecting to get an instant stun with E followed by an instant kill with W, then you need to get rid of this notion from your brain-space. This is not going to happen in LoL anymore, because it's simply not fair. You can say "strategy though you dont let veigar get close to you!!" but guess what: game ain't balanced that way anymore. Strategy is not as important as guaranteeing that every kill a hero gets has been obtained through skill and aiming. Veigar represents everything that is wrong with this game.

The StrykerFeb 26, 201511 votes

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If you're expecting to get an instant stun with E followed by an instant kill with W, then you need to get rid of this notion from your brain-space. This is not going to happen in LoL anymore, because it's simply not fair. You can say "strategy though you dont let veigar get close to you!!" but guess what: game ain't balanced that way anymore. Strategy is not as important as guaranteeing that every kill a hero gets has been obtained through skill and aiming. Veigar represents everything that is wrong with this game.

Please, get to challenger playing veigar only. Then tell me that Veigar requires no skill.

Freakin Sad PonyFeb 26, 20158 votes

Just shut the fuck up you dont know what your talking about, They royall fucked veigar, and one diamond player said that - there are COUNTLESS challenger and diamond players im reading up on that say they fucked veigar over - get your facts straight

JivvieFeb 26, 20151 votes

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Just shut the fuck up you dont know what your talking about, They royall fucked veigar, and one diamond player said that - there are COUNTLESS challenger and diamond players im reading up on that say they fucked veigar over - get your facts straight

stop depending on other people for opinions. Pros don't know shit about balance just like this dumbass ignorant community. Get your life straight and argue about something worth your time.

LeeDarkFeb 26, 20155 votes

Funny you didn't say that to the person who claimed that one diamond player said Veigar was okay, so he must be.

You're a joke.

RavaldyFeb 26, 201511 votes

Insta stuns:

Annie
Xerath
Brand
Leblanc
Taric
Leona
and the list goes on

You are too new to this game to make comments on this topic.

LyraSonaFeb 26, 20151 votes

perhaps you are too old to this game? unable to see the new picture emerging. We new players love the way Riot is taking LoL, and Veigar is thankfully not invited to the party.

HidingOverHereFeb 26, 201516 votes

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perhaps you are too old to this game? unable to see the new picture emerging. We new players love the way Riot is taking LoL, and Veigar is thankfully not invited to the party.

ok why not give sona a .75 sec delay on her stun cuz her insta aoe stun has no counterplay either

LyraSonaFeb 26, 20151 votes

You have to actually do a skillshot to use that stun. Veigar's cheap forcing of the edge was not hard to do at all.

GaleWinUnleashedFeb 26, 201510 votes

It was harder than putting your mouse on top of the opponent and pressing a key... Which is all Sona has to do.

LyraSonaFeb 26, 20152 votes

Straight line shots are very easy for (skilled) enemies to dodge. It's called ducking and weaving. You have to account for that. It's difficult. Unlike when you're dealing with a big ol' circle and "lemme put this line on that hero there, PRESTO" then click and stun.

GaleWinUnleashedFeb 26, 201511 votes

It required more skill for the Veigar player than the Sona player. The actual process of aiming required more thought and precision. That's not to say that Veigar's stun as it was before was balanced. I'm saying nothing more than that Veigar's stun was and is more difficult to use than most. With practice it became second nature, yes, but don't discount that practice time and compare it to something as simple as Sona's ult.

DirewolfiezFeb 26, 20159 votes

Don't bother, they're either a troll or a moron, and either way are not worth your time.

I've played Veigar and Sona, and I have to say that landing her stun is so much easier than Veig's. Didn't play him for a while, then jumped into a Team Builder match, and I missed 1/2 of my stuns because I didn't account enough for enemy movement and they slipped right through before the wall appeared. People just assume it's easy to land because they get instastunned so often, which like you said, takes practice and knowledge to consistently pull off.

DirewolfiezFeb 26, 20154 votes

When I was a new user I wanted every champ that did good against my favorite champs to get massively gutted. I assume that it's the same for you.

LyraSonaFeb 26, 20151 votes

lol no. My Ashe eats Veigars for breakfast.

DirewolfiezFeb 26, 20153 votes

xD That's cute. You think you're the only newb to play Ashe? I mained her in Season 3, when I started. She's only picked for her initiation and kill securing via her slows. Right now you're being matched against smurfs and other newbs like yourself, so no shit you're destroying half the time. I once went 31/5/x as Ashe because the enemy team literally had no idea how to play their champs, and I wasn't even building optimally.

Come back when you're level 30 and see if you're still bragging about how your Ashe wrecks everyone.

LyraSonaFeb 26, 20151 votes

I think Ashe has hidden potential, but I am well aware that I will get my ass handed to me at level 30 more than a few times. Difference is . . . Do you think I'll come to the forums and ask for a buff? No. That's not how a Legend behaves. Learn and adapt. Go down the path less followed. You Veigars should take note.

HidingOverHereFeb 26, 20155 votes

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I think Ashe has hidden potential, but I am well aware that I will get my ass handed to me at level 30 more than a few times. Difference is . . . Do you think I'll come to the forums and ask for a buff? No. That's not how a Legend behaves. Learn and adapt. Go down the path less followed. You Veigars should take note.

Ha you think we havent been through this? At some point you will realize some champs are simply BETTER than others. And then you will wonder what the point of your champ even was. Just an old artifact waiting to be scrapped? Sure i guess Ill go play some more Ahri. Ill use my easy Skill jumps and Undodgeable point blank Charms to 100-0 ppl just like veigar does. Except with her, I can just jump away. I can do this whenever wherever unlike veigar who has to plan ahead or his immobilty kills him.

LyraSonaFeb 26, 20151 votes

Spare me your "old gamer" brand of cynicism. I believe in the virtue of this game and in the purity of Riot's vision for the future. I'll be here promoting them and their decisions for quite some time as I enjoy their amazing, well balanced, and above all FREE game. I hope you are having as much fun as I am, because if you are not, why not find a different MOBA?

The StrykerFeb 26, 20154 votes

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Spare me your "old gamer" brand of cynicism. I believe in the virtue of this game and in the purity of Riot's vision for the future. I'll be here promoting them and their decisions for quite some time as I enjoy their amazing, well balanced, and above all FREE game. I hope you are having as much fun as I am, because if you are not, why not find a different MOBA?

Who said we we're not having fun? We're just saying, one champion, one source of "fun," has been ripped from the game.

Do you also promote riot's decision to make Kalista kite until infinity and then press a single button (E) to kill a tank from half health? Now that's a huge reliability problem right there.

ColdSteelerFeb 26, 20152 votes

i agree with the stuns. if it was rather the shorter duration of the walls, even disappearing instantly, it'd have done enough of a nerf. or the center of his stun range applying slow effect or inflicting damage may have been cool too.