I know I don't play him all that much but he really feels like he just doesn't do any damage throughout the early/midgame. Like his E barely scratches anything, then you pull them with the passive and that again does like 25 damage....I have never been able to trade a single time in lane with this champ. Is it just me?
Swain needs buffed. He was "too strong" only because Riot decided to screw up bot lane. He is not an easy champion to do well with and now is at the bottom of a pit of useless champions that are ignored by Riot.
Eh, you just might not know his limits. Here are my stats of S8, literally every game of Swain was played in elo range of Diamond 5 - Diamond 2. Still, he truly needs a buff, the recent nerfs to his ult lowered his teamfight potential, so maybe a small buff to his basic abilities would do the trick https://imgur.com/a/dANoDFc
Extremely weak due to the nerfs he got cause he was stomping bot lane cause every adc is garbage
swain isnt weak so to speak hes a controller/battlemage old swain is a controller plain and simple that relied on teamfights that ate up his mana quickly. most of his power came with his (old) CC now its more on his ult/e
Yeah he's pretty weak now
He had a point of being overpowered and they over nerfed him because everyone was using him.
i think he's just fine
could his ult delay be the problem? in a meta where you gotta kill the enemy as quickly as possible before they kill you it can't help that your ult damage is delayed
feels fine to me. You should have seen him just after the rework; then he was desperately weak. He got several rounds of buffs after that because he was released so undertuned, because the old version of him was oppressive against fighters and they didn't want to make that mistake again.
The thing about him is that you have to combo up everything he does if you want real damage. You can't just hit an E and pull; you need to hit E, W while they're immobile, pull just before the hold ends, then Q and auto simultaneously. People also underestimate the importance of his autos; you need to be chunking their health with autoattacks every time you can in order to have an effective game before, say, level 10 or so. Finally, remember that his passive can pull any immobilized champ, not just the ones he stuns with his E.
The only area I've ever felt that he needs a buff in is his waveclear. Even by midgame, he can have a Q stopped by a full-health minion if you don't aim properly. Most of his abilities, particularly his W, have reduced damage vs. minions; I've never been sure that was a great design decision. Still, if you want to blow through a wave, it's possible. Watch some of the pros do it - they'll usually W the entire wave first and then Q through it in two or three shots.
He does have some bad matchups; particularly 
. However, he makes up for it with good matchups against some particularly cancerous ranged toplane champs that give a lot of the rest of the field fits - for instance, 
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I know he's not that weak, because he's one of a short list of toplane champs that I actually feel comfortable enough taking on the blind.
Revert swain. Dunno who this man is people keep calling swain.
No, just underplayed and underwhelming in hus role. Damage wise? Depends really.
If they revert his ult nerf he'll be fine. I don't think he needs anything massive really.
People have always been brain dead when it comes to playing Swain, because Swain has ALWAYS, and still does require you to use your head before you do something. While he doesn't have the highest skill ceiling, he certainly takes time to pick up and learn.
His Demon Flare needs a lower threshhold to cast it or something, or maybe just remove the threshhold thing all together..
Because as is, it feels nearly impossible to hit a good demon flare unless your team can CC lock in hard.
Why is it when I make these votes and actually give suggestions for fixes I get downvoted to f*ck.
Be cool if they give him a very heavy mini-rework and just removed W, but it won't happen ever or for 5 years, riots incompetent and always will be.
As are many, if not near all companies these days.
Sucks that the moderators and heralds are wrong. Swain is buffed and is finally viable. But of course people will whine more and he will get Nerfed to hell again. His E and W need more damage imo. W just looks like it should deal way more damage then the tiny sliver it does when I see a giant Demonic Eye open and explode, and how long that delay is. Idk why i am here this thread is dead
Well duh I mean like what kind of powers would an old grumpy man get from a crow?
The issue now is that the old version still had this problem, but at least if you weren't fed he still had a lot of crowd control.
The new one doesn't have as much crowd control, and the damage is lower at the same time.
He also has a LOT of bad match ups and not great wave clear.
The one thing he does really well is lane bully assassins because he heals during trades, so he counters Zed and Talon, but that's about it.
No. I'm still hard stomping on him mid, top, and adc. He plays a lot like an old mage would with thunderlord's in lane- you want to go for short trades in lane, then back off. He has good waveclear so you can manage the wave to get it to a point where you're able to take these free trades, and his kit helps facilitate them. Mid/late game he's a bit weaker than he used to be, but he's still pretty good.
Swain is fine another useless thread.
His ult is unfortunately hot garbage trash :/ why hes weak. I could go on and on about other things about him too... But I dont want riot to touch my main like they did 
bless her poor soul...
swain is weak? good.
He is kind of weak currently. I had a 60% wr with him and absolutely loved him as a champ. He's been nerfed so many times that I rarely pick him nowadays.
Riot nerfed him for being dominant in the bot lane. Now that they are "fixing" the ADC itemization they revert the ult nerf or buff him somewhere and I hope they don't leave him in the dumpster because he is not that good in the solo lanes.
