It's really disheartening when I've put hours into learning champs like Azir and Syndra

Reynard the ƒox·Apr 17, 2015·9 votes·1,203 views

and then Katarina players can effortlessly beat me simply because their champion requires little to no mechanical skill :/

11 Comments

JamareeApr 17, 20152 votes

How do you think others felt when those champions did the same to the rest of the cast?

Reynard the ƒoxApr 17, 20153 votes

Not sure what you mean, since Azir and Syndra are both notoriously difficult to play.

IcyPepperApr 17, 20151 votes

and have resources to manage and can run out (Syndra especially has this problem)

JamareeApr 17, 20154 votes

And there were times when people said the exact same thing about them bullying everyone out and no one made remarks on said difficult, hell, I still hate Syndra.

CindikleApr 17, 20151 votes

Syndra got strong because most of her counters were not viable.

She was OK in S4 when she could cast forever like every other mage. But she was still weak late game because she could easily get taken out by a good engage.

Start of S5 she stayed strong because she could survive the stronger champions of the time. Since most tanks didn't exist as much and were more about singling out the right champion she could move more freely without the fear of a CC heavy tank or front line(other than usually the support). Current meta does not favor her. The Q change was too much. E I can understand. Even though they need to fix it's bugs.

Syndra was strong because of the lack of champions viable mid. Not because she was actually strong. A LOT of this had to do with Zed pushing so many champions out. Yet Riot nerfs Syndra instead of making other champions more viable. If they really wanted to nerf her lane bully status they should of reduced the radius on her Q, returning it at rank 5. This would make her require more skill to preform the same. Rather than just making her less rewarding. Top it off DFG got removed for those who rushed that for the cheese kills.

Azir I can agree was a bit much, but he actually did take a good chunk of skill to be a real threat and go beyond annoying. Thing is they said they liked his late game but his early game was too strong, but they gave him no compensation to his late game for the early game nerfs. Q should of gotten some scaling and W should return some range to soldiers per rank.

Hasztalan2Apr 17, 20151 votes

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Not sure what you mean, since Azir and Syndra are both notoriously difficult to play.

THey are both easy as f0k to play.

KidSpectreApr 17, 20152 votes

Some champions have to work harder at certain things than others. You're not gonna see a Kata taking towers or zoning as well as Azir, for instance. And I guess Syndra has that stun potential and theoretically AoE damage.

IcyPepperApr 17, 20151 votes

No resource + reasonable cooldowns for harass and escape/engage + cooldown resets

Like, seriously, who thought this was a good combination? Either give her a resource, up her cooldowns, or remove the resets or severely and properly nerf them if they're so core to her character.

You know, something that requires more skill than jumping in the right moment (which is a skill, but I mean all the other complex stuff mages has to do).

Not to mention Katarina's never shut up in all chat. Miss a skillshot? Get killed? She will mock you with her point and click and aoe spells.

NuSix3Apr 17, 20151 votes

I play a lot of Syndra mid lane -- while I definitely think she needs a mana regen buff since just about every non-mana champ in the game can out sustain her in lane, Katarina should not be giving you issues so long as you are hitting your Q's and not spamming W or E for poke (the easiest way to go oom w/ Syndra).

Also, I learned to never full combo unless you plan on going all in. You don't have the mana for it.

Postscript: It might be a good idea to play around with builds depending on your matchup. In games where I get ahead against manaless champs I usually build a tear into seraph's embrace + morello so I can sustain in lane and have enough mana for when my teammates start a 3 on 5 for no good reason at the worst possible time.

ModAcademy KaynApr 17, 20151 votes

I think the funny thing is, that I just got out of a game against a Kat, as Syndra, making her feed until she was 1/11.

Point of story, playing smart helps. Even a katarina needs to lower you down a bit, so just use your superior range to harass the S**t out of her. Make her afraid to go in. Those recent health nerfs to her have made laning a whole lot easier.

KY5KmUJg9BApr 17, 20151 votes

Syndra is not that hard to play.

Now that that is out of the way, yes katarina is obnoxious, but just because you spent a lot of time learning someone does not mean that you are entitled to be able to play them versus whatever you want and win.