Proposed Rules Update to Gameplay Sub-Board (Feedback Wanted)

ModUlanopo·11/2/2019, 1:31:33 PM·31 votes·11,172 views

Disclaimer The Universal Rules are in full effect, save where overridden by Gameplay specific rules. If you are not certain if your content is allowed by these rules, please feel free to seek moderator input on our Discuss the Boards sub-board or the Moderation Discord prior to posting. Once posted, content will be subject to moderator discretion as per normal boards policy.

Overview

We’ve heard your complaints about Gameplay. We understand you don’t want to sift through complaints and memes to get to the good stuff. To that end, we’re leveling up the guidelines so it’s clearer what belongs here and what doesn’t. We’ll also be more aggressive in removing posts that don’t make the cut. With your help, we can make Gameplay the best place to go for advice and theorycrafting.

Gameplay Do’s

DO START WITH A CLEAR, INFORMATIVE TITLE Posts with clickbait titles are subject to removal. No one likes being misled.

For example, the titles “Yasuo” or “Nerfs to Yummi that will 100% work!” would be considered uninformative and clickbait respectively.

DO CONSIDER HOW THE READER IS INTENDED TO FEEL OR RESPOND.

Posts that encourage thoughtful discussion are preferred. While you may be angry or frustrated, Gameplay is not really the Board for complaining. 

DO POST NEW CONTENT This can be a little challenging when many people are upset or excited about a topic, but your post should have a fresh perspective or take. Posts that duplicate other content without adding anything make it more difficult to have meaningful conversations, as everything is split between threads.

DO DEBATE WITH INTEGRITY This means you should never dismiss someone based on their rank, preferred format or playstyle. Everyone is welcome to post, regardless of how they play or how well they play.

This also means you should never effectively call someone stupid or ignorant. No one listens to someone who argues this way (see: Backfire Effect).

DO LEAVE ROOM FOR DISAGREEMENT The Boards are for sharing ideas and discussion. Dealing in absolutes prevents those things. Calling for a champion to be gutted generally ends all conversation. Likewise, refusing to see how someone else could have a different - even contradictory - opinion or perspective closes off possibilities.

People come to League with all sorts of perspectives and preferences. We should be recognizing and accommodating as many of them as possible. Posts that mainly consist of calling a champion easy or insult the people who play a specific champion will be considered low effort and removed as such.

DO DISCUSS STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES OF CHAMPIONS, MATCHUPS, ITEMS, AND BUILDS Within reason, of course. It’s one thing to say, “I feel Yasuo has too many tools and is generally too safe once you’ve mastered him, with Windwall being an excellent example of this”. It’s quite another to say, “Windwall is bull#$*&!”

Discussions are generally better when they have a focused intent. It is better to limit posts to specific concerns, such as “Kindred struggles in these situations and here’s how that might be addressed.”

As long as you’re not ranting, it’s okay to ask for advice and suggestions.”I generally queue as support and I’m facing a lot more Blitzcranks lately. What are some things I can do to counter him?” is a perfectly fine conversation to have.

DO PROVIDE CONSTRUCTIVE, FOCUSED FEEDBACK Dismissive responses such as “git good” or “L2PLAY” are subject to removal as low-effort and unhelpful. Suggesting someone leave ranked is also not cool.

It’s generally okay to ask people to clarify so you can provide better feedback. It’s also okay to provide radical suggestions, as long as it’s done respectfully.

DO DISCUSS HOW A CHAMPION FULFILLS (OR FAILS TO FULFILL) A SPECIFIC CHARACTER FANTASY In a perfect world, game play and theme merge seamlessly. Sometimes this isn’t the case, as with pre-rework Sion. Sometimes a strong thematic has gameplay that feels poorly suited to it. This sort of mismatch makes for a great discussion point about how the champion could be either tweaked or redesigned to better match player expectations, and discussion around this is encouraged. Note, however, that full suggested reworks are often better suited to Concepts & Creations.

DO UPVOTE QUALITY CONTENT We’re volunteers. We can’t see everything. Your reports help us curate the board.

Gameplay Don’ts DON’T JUST CALL FOR A REVERSION We get it. Change is hard. Sometimes change is also wrong. Unfortunately, angry “you ruined my favorite champion” posts don’t do any good. In order to be truly effective, you have to step back and explain how you feel about changes in a way that Riot can understand.

(For example: “I really miss Galio’s old ult. Being able to flash taunt gave me more engage opportunities than the current kit.” versus “Galio update was awful, revert!”)

DON’T JUST LIST OR COMPARE THINGS WITHOUT CONTEXT This specifically includes things like pick/ban rates or what abilities they have, but can be pretty much anything. It’s especially true when listing naked stats when asking for a nerf. It’s not enough to say “X champion is at 53% win rate”. Good content will explain why the champion is in that state. Better content will explore how they can be fixed without breaking them.

DON’T REPORT THINGS SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH THEM People say ridiculous things on the internet all the time. We’re just not able to arbitrate every disagreement (how Pyke’s ultimate works, we’re looking at you). Save the reports for things that violate the Board Universal Rules and respectfully debate with or ignore posters who have a different opinion than your own.

DO NOT ASK FOR UPVOTES Your content should be able to stand on its own. Let others choose when to upvote or downvote your content.


Let us know what you think!

118 Comments

Bârd11/2/2019, 4:20:48 PM19 votes

"Don't Call for Reversion" is a bad rule.

A lot of the time, reverting something is absolutely the right thing to do, even if Riot hates doing it.

For example, take Ornn.

On release his W had:

  • A shield
  • Unstoppable
  • Low damage

He had a low win rate, but that was due to Ornn being new. If we had that version right now, maybe with the Upgrade Forging rework staying, he'd be perfect.

...but no. Riot doesn't do reverts.

First they upped his W's damage and range. It became a broken ability with so much offense and defense combined that it became impossible to outlane him as a melee. Then they removed the unstoppable. It didn't fix how broken he was in pro play, but it did ruin the champion for solo queue by taking all the fun out of him. Then they gave back unstoppable, but took away the shield. He got his cheeky plays back and became pretty fun again, but without the shield on his W he's just dogshit.

Worst JG Wins11/2/2019, 2:01:25 PM17 votes

The gameplay moderation team already is way to heavy handed and biased. We don't need rules to allow them to go even more extreme.

Shovel Bot11/2/2019, 10:50:55 PM11 votes

Rules against clickbait titles and yet these rules are going to be implemented without input anyway thus being a clickbait title. ::thinking::

Maybe some parts of the world might favor tossing infants into the deep end, but I am thinking the idea of censoring any disagreement on this practice is to be mocked and their human advocates of such a practice. And so I would openly have no respect at all heralds and moderators; doubtful to see them as humans of any thinking capacity, for these policies obviously lack common sense. I have little patience for people that advocate that the ladder needs more games ruined, after all.

If I was asked in person whether the official league boards are good for discussing actual game play, I would say absolutely not. For they cannot even comprehend match quality on a community level.

Ranked would dramatically improve if autofill junglers and LARPers that don't know basics did not exist there. I am with the challenger players on just flushing everything out we need to reset every account to 0 for the new season and let the previously diamond pile of boosted animals hang out to dry. Hardest reset.

ClaireRedfield11/2/2019, 11:09:55 PM11 votes

I think you should stop policing what people say unless it's needlessly abusive or very off topic. I.E. Me talking about how I just went shopping for my winter clothes in gameplay and not general discussion.

RegardsKitty11/2/2019, 4:52:51 PM10 votes

So, silence anyone who disagrees with the biased mods?

Linna Excel11/2/2019, 6:47:22 PM9 votes

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DO UPVOTE QUALITY CONTENT We’re volunteers. We can’t see everything. Your reports help us curate the board.

So upvotes are now going to be the report feature and more upvotes on a post will make you more likely to delete it. Interesting. Are the mods mad at getting downvoted all the time?

DO NOT ASK FOR UPVOTES

Well if upvotes are going to get stuff deleted, why would you?

iLLp11/2/2019, 2:28:26 PM9 votes

who cares riot doesnt listen to gameplay anyway

Worst JG Wins11/2/2019, 9:43:02 PM8 votes

Mods: Gameplay+ was a complete and total failure. Everyone just continued to use gameplay over it anyway. Mods a few months later: They problem with Gameplay+ was that gameplay still existed, why don't we just change the rules of gameplay to those of the old gameplay+ then people will be forced to play by our failed bias rules.

Saevum11/2/2019, 4:46:32 PM8 votes

This post should be on General Discussions, more than gameplay even if it is gameplay related.

You are asking feedback for a sub-board, involving a rules update for said sub-board.


However, following the intention of this thread.

Not even proper threads are respected. Which invalidates rules in general.

Also, even if said thread is respected, and the rules followed accordingly, from perspective, for a Rioter, it will only be treated as a "we might consider what it has been argued in this thread, therefore, it is not final". Aka "we will do as we want, you guys can just keep the brainstorming".

There is no power on the gameplay sub-board, it does not need more rules.

We just like to read how the hive is going. Riot just checks how is the hive going and how much honey it has produced.

Jbels11/4/2019, 12:16:06 AM7 votes

Yeah...no. You guys have not been doing your jobs properly. You literally auto-delete any post that you "FEEL" violates the rules, and there is 0 way to fight you on it. I would rather post on Reddit, where it doesn't feel like I'm living in WWII Italy.

Jacksedab2111/2/2019, 9:42:18 PM6 votes

Hmm.. Everyone wants a better matchmaking (I mean: get players with good rank, like if you are G4 then get G4 and S1 players not S3 and S4). And nerf Garen If nothing can happen.. welp NP at least i tried.

Lauchmelder11/2/2019, 6:42:46 PM6 votes

Can you clearly define what gameplay is as well? I recently had a short discussion with one of you guys where I said that matchmaking is as much a part of gameplay as "in game"- gameplay and the moderator hard disagreed.

I'm asking this because you either allow discussion about matchmaking and ELO/MMR in gameplay or we need another sub-board where we can discuss these topics. I do want this to be clear in the sub rules as the current state of the rules ends up with "moderator A" deleting a matchmaking thread in gameplay while "moderator B" doesn't see a problem with it whatsoever.

dnsup11/3/2019, 7:18:14 PM6 votes

Most of these are far too arbitrary. Calling for an expansion of one's own powers is seldom popular.