Any chance on nerfing Lane Push Nasus?

48983507DEL1·Nov 17, 2016·4 votes·2,379 views

Personally I think the problem is Spirit Fire doing way too much damage without building any ability power. When maxed, he can clear a full wave with one use of it.

It also may lie with Wither making him untouchable while he proxy farms the lane (unless ganked). The slow amount is absolutely absurd, and the cool down late game is too low to be considered balanced in his current state.

Imo it needs a nerf. He's able to do what Singed does, but better in almost every way (except escaping early ganks). Hopefully this is at least addressed by Riot where they state their thoughts on it. The fact that it's working extremely effectively at all elos means that it definitely deserves attention.

25 Comments

Malicious MetalNov 17, 20163 votes

Really?

You're asking to nerf one of the worst Builds? It's a troll build, nothing else.

Wait 25 minutes and see him become useless because: A) He won't have any AP to deal damage B) No stacks at all C)Sucks at team fighting and dueling

Denims Wrath666Nov 17, 20161 votes

it makes slight sense to do the e max now yeah, but the scooby stax do suffer alot.

48983507DEL1Nov 17, 20161 votes

Well no, the build was made by a diamond player who used it to get to challenger, so it's pretty legitimate.

Again, it's working well across the board, regardless of elo, because despite not stacking very much he still is able to take towers incredibly fast.

He's got the same late game he would normally have, getting kited into oblivion, but when he has a team who plays around him simply taking objectives, it's really difficult to stop.

Malicious MetalNov 17, 20164 votes

It's not Overpowered at all.

Hell, played against a few of those myself, it really helps if you have a champion who wave clears well too.

Mordekaiser for example loves this lane because he has an easy time clearing and doesn't have to worry to overextend because Nauss pushes like a madman.

48983507DEL1Nov 17, 20161 votes

It's in a state where it needs to at least be addressed by Riot. It's cheesy, yes, but so is Rengar, and he's been gutted many times before.

Again, the only counter-play to it is to pick a champion designed to deal with his strategy, leaving most of his traditional counters out of luck. Most top-laners can't clear the minions without either tanking a ton of their damage, or letting them hit the tower.

Yes the build has its weaknesses, but it's strengths are really shining through in this meta where the early game is more important.

Denims Wrath666Nov 17, 20161 votes

maybe i should show the community my op build... it worked VERY WELL. downside is i wont every play nasus again till riot considers my buff on nasus. check my ign nasus mastery-youll see why i wanna make a big deal of this.

Ravenous HowlsNov 18, 20161 votes

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Really?

Really?

You're asking to nerf one of the worst Builds? It's a troll build, nothing else.

Wait 25 minutes and see him become useless because: A) He won't have any AP to deal damage B) No stacks at all C)Sucks at team fighting and dueling

OMG thank you! I am so happy you noticed that this build is 100% useless outside of early laning. At any point if your team is behind this build will do nothing for you. People are "succeeding" b/c they are playing people literally 10 division below them, or their team is just insanely ahead so they can abuse this build. It's really sad the sheep are all jumping on this like it's legit meta.

Denims Wrath666Nov 17, 20161 votes

as a nasus main, i could accept a e nerf tbh... but i'd want something in return. i just want nasus ult to do a small knock back. a little tiny fkn bump. just to stop channels. nerf the e, lower the % AND mana costs of w, but give his ult a small displacement. would be perfect for this meta.

dPPobrjYEkNov 17, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Denims Wrath666,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XMdkGsGP,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-11-17T09:44:52.192+0000)

as a nasus main, i could accept a e nerf tbh... but i'd want something in return. i just want nasus ult to do a small knock back. a little tiny fkn bump. just to stop channels. nerf the e, lower the % AND mana costs of w, but give his ult a small displacement. would be perfect for this meta.

you do %hp aoe dmg that turns into ad you don't need shit

Denims Wrath666Nov 17, 20161 votes

LOL typical nasus hater. nasus is actually one of the weakest champs to play- you almost always lose early game, but guess thats not good enough because of one mechanic that never actually has that much potential. you do realize that nasus doesn't usually get past 500 stacks a game, and he has to WALK UP TO YOU to even use the damage. seriously though, a small knockback on his ult would not change his damage AT ALL, would just stop people for tping in your face. too op right?

48983507DEL1Nov 17, 20161 votes

The problem is his early game is SAFE, especially with this new build. There's almost no way to force Nasus out of lane unless you're a ranged champion.

You can't push because he'll just farm under tower.

You can't freeze because Spirit Fire can easily push the wave under your tower and get it to bounce back.

You can't roam because Nasus will free-farm and take your whole lane's turrets.

And you can't fight him because Wither allows him to escape, his Spirit Fire shreds your armor and makes you vulnerable as hell, and his ultimate greatly increases his already ridiculous in-fight sustain.

Face it, his early game is not that weak. There's only a small pool of top-lane champions who can actually shut him down. Plus, there's always a chance he gets a gank, which will automatically win him the lane if he gets a kill. As soon as he backs for resistances, it's nearly impossible to kill him, especially with this bullshit build that's currently being used.

Denims Wrath666Nov 17, 20161 votes

Nasus stacks doesn't matter, if you know how to kite slightly. he isn't unkillable, you just need to step your OWN scaling up a bit. like here, lemme help- item 3140 pretty much fks nasus.

48983507DEL1Nov 17, 20161 votes

There's a few problems tho.

Kiting Nasus is pretty much a team effort, and you won't always get that support. The exception is probably Vayne and Caitlyn, but Vayne is perma-banned right now.

QSS works to some extent, but because of the nature in which Nasus is played, which is coming in after a fight erupts, there's a good chance an ADC has already used it to cleanse some other CC from another champion.

Also, the biggest reason to pick Nasus is to hard pressure a lane with the threat of his split push. He takes towers incredibly fast while building full tank, meaning you have to send quite a few people to stop him, putting the rest of your team at a disadvantage. By the time you actually kill him, the enemy team has probably destroyed an equal amount of objectives that Nasus would've if you hadn't stopped him.

Finally, my point in my last comment was to address how silly this "weak early game" argument is with Nasus. He's almost always going to make it through being barely behind in CS, with a kit that provides so much more value than nearly any other top-lane champion. This means if he's even in CS, he's technically far ahead.

Denims Wrath666Nov 17, 20161 votes

listen, i havent TOUCHED nasus since this update. if you check my nasus mastery, you'll see why... ANYWAYS. even with all the supposed unfair pressure- it doesn't work like that every game. like dude, I PERFECTED the most amount of pressure I could do as nasus, and it didn't win me that many more games tryharding it. i think you need to just work on better item setups against this. simply buy grevious wound, and a portal to put at your MID turret. the slow items help ALOT vs him too. yeah, teams need to pick and play AROUND nasus- but he's still just a doge with a stick.

legionnaire99Nov 17, 20161 votes

When nasus got changed it was a big buff like his winrate and playrate jumped A TON which isn't a good sign. Also you can blind pick into almost anyone now. Ranged top laner are still annoying for you Kennen Jayce . Also Darius do to the fact he dairus

Denims Wrath666Nov 17, 20161 votes

yeah, it wasn't a buff to be clear tho. this whole e maxing isn't my style- and i know when im on point, im a fucking scary doge. darius is just bullshit.

legionnaire99Nov 17, 20161 votes

I Started to main dairus do to how much I hate nasus lol. Nasus witer is BULLSHIT. But if anything nasus is going to get a small nerf

But even if he stays the same I can still crush him

Also yes his ult got buffed

Denims Wrath666Nov 17, 20161 votes

trust me, it was technically a nerf. but if they nerf Nasus , they can kinda compensate it just slightly by giving him and Renekton a small knock back. lulu and shy do- this is just sexist.

legionnaire99Nov 17, 20161 votes

Renekton has a knock back on his ult? But trust me about nasus someone playrate and winrate = a buff

Denims Wrath666Nov 18, 20161 votes

no, im saying if they nerf nasus, they should compensate the nerf by giving him and ren a knockback on his ult. like, the tiniest of knock backs. it was a nerf btw, if you played nasus you'd know you cant do duo barons early like EVER anymore, or solo baron because of this change. you also don't have the clutch lifesteal anymore when fighting in waves- so nasus is technically easier to take down now. trust me on this, ive been playing fighter nasus for a while.

legionnaire99Nov 18, 20161 votes

Yeah I think if they do nerf him it will be tiny like weaker numbers or something

Denims Wrath666Nov 18, 20161 votes

they just need to lower the base damage on e, up the ratios a tiny bit (for actual ap nasus to still feel normal), take off bit of armor and mr on the ult, and give it a knock back. would make the most sense atm for balancing him.