There is no counterplay to AD anymore

Meserion··7 votes·724 views

Armor is not an effective counterplay to AD damage because for the cost you spend on armor, it gets countered easily by runes, masteries, and items such as item 3035. Stacking HP doesn't work because there easily bought and viable items like item 3153 that counter HP stacking; end result: tanks and really anyone building armor defensively are wasting their gold on a stat that ends up not providing any real benefit.

The same is not true for most sources of magic damage because magic damage is generally dealt in short bursts in large numbers but with long delays between each hit, making magic resist a very cost effective stats in nearly every situation unless the enemy is dealing periodic or frequent magic damage like Teemo , Swain , and Cassiopeia.

The thing that makes AD so overpowered is it generally costs nothing to use and can have a less than a second cooldown; also it can crit doing 2-2.5x normal damage and AD items give both crit and attack speed naturally, making it scale like crazy. on the other hand AP only scales off AP items and only at certain rates for different champions, thus AP is more balanced and more easily balanced.

But as far as AD goes there is no effective counter to it, that is why pure "wall" tanks like Rammus and Shen have fallen out of favor because armor does not work anymore. Instead pure CC/disables are the new "tanking" skills as they stop any and all damage from taking place while acting as flashy "playmaking" moves for the masses. Champions that are the "new" tanks you see a lot in LCS, Leona Thresh Nautilus

**So how to fix the problem? nerf armor penetration enough that its either a late game item or something that costs alot to build. We don't want to eliminate penetration, but armor needs to be an effective counter again, not so much for the tanks, so other mid laners can build reactively if say Zed or Yasuo gets ahead for example. At the present these two get picked all the time because there is no effective counter unless you get 300+ armor, even then it barely slows them down. **

Previously penetration was better off in that it was calculated in a way that made flat armor penetration bad if you wanted % -based armor penetration. Not sure why this was changed because it has made the current problems we have. it used to calculate flat armor pen before %-based armor pen, meaning if you wanted a high percentage of %-based armor pen, having flat armor pen was bad; it made %-based armor pen built for late mostly as it gave more benefit vs. people who built a lot of armor. These days its reversed and effectively nullifies any armor you build.

8 Comments

Trash MammaI1 votes

I agree, but the boards won't because it's full of sheep that are full of meta sheep and won't believe anything till it becomes the meta then cry about it. Then when you say "I told you so" they rage at you. Typical boards.

I've called out so many FOTM champs in the past a few days before they actually hit FOTM. Once an LCS player picked them everyone started crying. I gloated for so long.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

just nerf bork back to 5% imo. lategame ad carries are still incredibly overtuned.

and in case it doesnt already, have the bork passive trigger thornmail since it applies lifesteal now.

would just make both armor, and health just a little better by lategame.

Fredart1 votes

There is a counter to ad, its called atk speed and crit.

ErythaeanX1 votes

frozen heart, thornmail,warmogs( with thornmail adcs get 30% damage back and with borkt only they heal 10 or 12%(not sure), randuins theres tons of counters to ad champions lol.

jjookkeerr1 votes

teemo viable? lol

jjookkeerr1 votes

and no, the flat reduction applying before the % reduction didnt make the % bad, just less efficient than now. if someone has 200 armor and you apply -20 flat and after that -20% in the end will remain less armor than just applying 20% over 200

Lauricella31 votes

I would much rather if last whisper gave less %pen and more flat pen like 25% armor pen and 15 flat pen

FalconPawwwwnch1 votes

Lol ok

Frozen Heart has 140% gold efficiency without even counting the AS slow

Maokai gets it for 2450 gold and can tank 1v5 at 15 mins

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