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Vayne Main here. Some thoughts.

Satirical Butler·11/19/2016, 12:48:24 AM·79 votes·5,398 views

Key Identities of Vayne:

  1. Weak early - no AS or waveclear.
  2. Top tier late game 1v1 champ.
  3. Shreds tanks (long fights)
  4. Lacks burst (short fights)
  5. Is batman.

Current Problems With Above Identity

  1. Itemization too easy to solve early game/waveclear weakness item 3087 item 3085
  2. Q crit is too bursty (2-3 shots to kill champs with no armor or health items)
  3. item 3153 is bad.

Thoughts: Vayne should have potential to outplay tanks and burst champs alike, but only through longer fights, peel from her team, and skill. She should be rewarded for surviving to late game and good mechanics. She should not be getting a free pass through her weak early game and bursting anyone. 5-6 autos, that's what should kill squishies. Not 2-3. If you auto an assassin 6 times they deserve to die. Tanks more like 7-9 late game.

Suggestions: Nerf Q crit damage, buff item 3153, and consider some additional rewarding mechanic for hitting 3 procs of her w (such as reducing the CD on condemn by a few seconds, or giving her stacking increased lifesteal for each time she hits 3 procs until out of combat). She needs to be doing sustained damage like Cassiopeia over longer fights. Also, item 3087 item 3085 need to be changed, nerfed, cost increased, or whatever. Free waveclear=free early game pass.

Honorable mention: item 3147, as of now, is garbage compared to the abusive crit build. It's something to keep an eye on in the future, but quit bitching about it.

105 Comments

Marshbouy11/19/2016, 12:52:37 AM25 votes

buffing and nerfing other items because of her could cause more problems in the long run. Just wanted to point that out, but otherwise good post.

J Eevo11/19/2016, 1:03:24 AM15 votes

I'm pretty sure Botrk is getting it's % damage upped from 6% to 8% already, so just throw in a nerf to the Q crit bullshit when the botrk change drops so her burst isn't so ridiculous, and she should be fine. The Q crit is hilariously powerful, and doesn't really fit in a champion which supposedly relies on W, there's no reason to build for W if you delete squishies in two hits before the w even triggers.

WoonStruck11/19/2016, 12:50:27 AM11 votes

item 3147 Seriously, everyone needs to stop building this. Its trash on her. The only reason you should be buying it is for the armor pen, high AD, and passive at 5th/6th item to make your Q crits burstier if you're going full assassin style.

The true damage is a bonus, not something you should be building around at all. It does less than your W will do against any given target.

~~item 3085 This is bad on Vayne unless you're putting absolutely no points in W for some reason. Makes it so you can never proc Silver Bolts if you ever end up firing one of the secondary projectiles. ~~

_Edit: Apparently they changed this one at some point. _

l Dárius l11/19/2016, 1:00:08 AM5 votes

7-9 autos to kill a tank late game? lol you are funny and no, vayne should not have burst. the whole point of her kit is sustain damage, not burst, that is why she has a 3 hit passive that does 12 of your max hp as true damage.

A Sexy Goldfish11/19/2016, 12:52:35 AM5 votes

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Is batman.

Lol

NJSP Trooper11/19/2016, 2:33:53 PM4 votes

Nice attempt to try to get more people to hate on vayne. First of all, you aren't even a vayne main. The ratio in which you haven't played vayne is much greater than you have played vayne. Secondly, vayne is a high skill cap champion. She has to get dangerously close to enemies in order to pop off her combo. It's not hard to counter vayne, get a control ward to counter her ult Q's and make sure you tell your team to focus vayne. Stay away from walls. Bait her Q tumble. She doesn't need a nerf. What needs to be done is reworking the items, but nerfing the champion and her abilities will destroy her unique play style.

Hibeki11/19/2016, 4:33:06 AM4 votes

No burst damage

item 3031 + item 3087 + Q + R?????????

Zonkman11/20/2016, 5:17:27 AM3 votes

Vi main here. Some thoughts.

What was life like before windows? I don't like the color yellow but some people do, but I think some people don't like purple so that's fair. Am i the only one who spaced out and didn't read this? probably not but i'm going to up vote it anyways because they used pictures. I like pictures and colorful things.

Psi2111/19/2016, 4:32:30 AM3 votes

Duskblade just wasn't game tested correctly. When your champion like Vayne is a tank buster why wouldn't you also then take an item that lets you one shot squishies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhMbPi0CHWA

New Duskblade was just not game tested. I mean look at Shaco. How can anyone say they game tested Shaco when you can crit more from the front on a Shaco Crit build than you can utilizing his backstab.

RIOT BALANCING TEAM really, I mean really needs to be reevaluated as to what they are adding to health or remaining interest in the game.

I am going to just say it now Meddler sucks at his job.

TeCoolMage11/19/2016, 11:50:26 AM2 votes

Vayne main here. Some thoughts

"I wonder how soon I'll have to mow my lawn again" "I'm hungry, maybe I should eat at KFC" "I hope my family's doing ok, I should call them"

wait, did the thoughts have to be relevant to vayne?

GigaPube11/19/2016, 11:41:07 AM2 votes

if you buy runaans on vayne you're a troll or an idiot and you should uninstall. you call bork a bad item and yet shiv is hands down the worse item, especially when theres 3 other similar items that can more appropriately fill its niche. bork is still the only item that gives lifesteal and attack speed, and yet it still gives AD, a current health damaging scaling, and an incredible dueling active component

stop copying sneaky by building runaans on vayne for gods sake. stop buying shiv when RFC and phantom dancer are so much better in pretty much every single situation. she does have burst, she is too strong right now, your suggestions and your statements are narrow-minded and i can only be thankful you do not have any influence on the balance decisions that riot makes

Zelorxon11/19/2016, 7:20:35 PM2 votes

Daily reminder that we are in this current shitty situation because riot with their "identity" bullshit nerfed bork as they wanted it to become an "anti-tank" item, opposed to "must buy for every on hit adc", too bad they forgot about the champions and completely cut from the game an item as there are much better alternatives against tanks (which are kinda weird as now they stack hp and it's really hard to stack armor or mr as we did in the old good days), buffing in the meanwhile an item for completely different purposes and giving it an extreme synergy with a particular champion because they can't see past their nose when they go for changes.

Un-nerf blade of the ruined king and you'll see all these problems disappear.

Votable Jester11/19/2016, 3:35:43 AM2 votes

Doesn't item 3085 prevent Vayne from stacking her Silver Bolts?

Also I'm pretty sure BotRK has a buff on the PBE right now.