To all of u who thinks Vayne needs nerfs

a special one·Nov 12, 2016·3 votes·961 views

First complain about Jhin, MF and broken tanks atm cause they are a much bigger problem than vayne

edit: ofc im getting downvoted. rational thinking isnt allowed on these boards

16 Comments

Best Kog NANov 12, 20162 votes

Vayne has a 51% or so winrate in plat+ ranked games, she may need a tiny nerf if anything but even that is debate able.

MimyNov 12, 20163 votes

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Vayne has a 51% or so winrate in plat+ ranked games, she may need a tiny nerf if anything but even that is debate able.

item 3153 6% -> 8% health buffs on PBE..

are your Bodies ready for Vayne item 3153 ?

a special oneNov 12, 20161 votes

exactly

DracocrashNov 13, 20161 votes

jesus. Look at the patch for the 51% winrate, and look at the playrate that compliments it.

Wait for vaynes winrate this patch, dont quote useless statistics.

Best Kog NANov 13, 20161 votes

http://www.lolking.net/champions/vayne#statistics That was from 2 days ago. 51.66% winrate. My statement still stands.

DracocrashNov 13, 20161 votes

that is her winrate.. in normal games... Not reliable data. Wait for a few days, im gona reply to you with ACTUAL statistics.

As such, your statement no longer stands.

Best Kog NANov 13, 20161 votes

Do you want to use the ranked data from lolking? Oh ya that's right. For the past 3 days apparently nobody's played her in ranked. Ya because that isn't an error.

DracocrashNov 14, 20161 votes

http://champion.gg/champion/Vayne

Where is your 51% winrate champion now?

Gnart Even CloseNov 15, 20163 votes

I see a 53% one...

DracocrashNov 15, 20161 votes

EXACTLY.

BzRazorNov 12, 20162 votes

51% rofl there's like 15+ other champions above that needs nerf in your logic.

DracocrashNov 14, 20161 votes

http://champion.gg/champion/Vayne

Clearly. 51%. NOT.

DracocrashNov 13, 20162 votes

you are not capable of ration thought at all.

Yes, there are many broken things in the game aside from vayne. Does that mean we ignore vayne?

BTW JHIN DOES NOT SCALE UP TO VAYNE IN ANYWAY RIGHT NOW. MF maybe slightly more broken than vayne.

And to anyone who says 51% winrate, we don't have a winrate yet after the steath changes and rework of duskblade, so please hold onto your outdated statistics.

Sir FuzziNov 12, 20161 votes

Vayne doesn't need a nerf, she polarizes pretty hard. Outrange her and all it takes is a careful eye on her movements. Her strengths are in fights she gets to stick to with basics because literally only her basics do damage.

Very likely, a clever Ashe built for it could just kite her out without ever letting her proc a W in full.

People don't like Vayne because she hard-times fights and has a lot of potential where other ADCs don't, but I've always found she's easy to deal with if you can keep the CC and distance on her.

FlygunnNov 12, 20161 votes

I agree with that, however its not that simple, most supports have cc they can use to get vayne close to you, and you cannot just avoid her. During laning phase, that could mean you are denied gold, and late game, you are forced to battle. her passive gives her a speed boost towards enemies, so kiting is more difficult, especially when vayne goes faster than you AND has tumble. Essentially, what you said can be much more difficult against Vayne than most other champions.

Sir FuzziNov 12, 20161 votes

It's important to take someone against Vayne who has hard CC. Her passive will rebuke slows in a mean way especially when her ult's up-- something like a well-placed Caitlyn trap or Jinx trap, or perhaps an Ashe ult, will be powerful counters. Her support is going to be pulling double-time if the ADC can keep her (or the support) at bay at all, because then their support is controlling both to peel and engage in a bad case.

Vayne works best in a best-case scenario. She has no turnarounds, no sudden burst-- just a strong chunking mechanic. A steady support like Leona, Braum or even Taric will have a lot to say about her basics and Q/R damage bonuses, while being able to help shed off the true damage or keep it off the ADC. Worse yet for Vayne, if she's forced into a bad position and can't get built strong, anyone with even remote duel capacity (Xin Zhao, Jax...) will completely curbstomp her 1-on-1. While her bulk damage is percentile and dangerous, she still has to pull it off more than once.

Now, far be it from me to say there's nothing to be done gameplay-wise, it should have something like a 7/6/5/4/3 lockout on its levels, or just a flat 4 maybe, to encourage builds and gameplay patterns besides "dump procs." It's not my favourite ADC mechanic by any means, and it could use a bit of moving around because it might be that an ADC just shouldn't be based on that much raw output. Rather, putting it down to 8 or even 6 again but giving her something else in her power budget besides it, might lead to her having healthier gameplay for Vayne and foe alike. A lockout timer encourages her to have something to bring to a fight, or the foresight to keep hit-and-runs an option.