Hey remember when...

Håppy·Jul 14, 2017·5 votes·1,015 views

...armor penetration was removed and turned to lethality because having just flat penetration for assassins was ridiculous (being able to stack up to 100 armor pen and thus deal close to or exactly true damage to carries)? And the changes to lethality were it gave 70% right away, scaling up to 100% as your opponent leveled? Yeah that was cool. It was a bit busted but tweaks made it fair again.

Oh hey I see that those ideas have been dropped on their head, and now it's super snowbally again. Hello, Riven. Hello, Quinn. Oh hey Jayce. What's that? You want me to touch the tower and bend a bit? Okay, sure, I mean I can't really do anything to stop you. Don't forget to read my rights as you violate each and every one of them.

31 Comments

Sassmast3rJul 14, 20174 votes

I'm not even upvoting this because of the armor pen argument, but because you truly are _the _ sassmaster.

But yeah I'm concerned about the Lethality change tbh, it makes already snowbally champs more-so, and unfortunately that doesn't apply JUST to assassins, we're talking about Riven, Fiora, Quinn, etc.

HåppyJul 14, 20171 votes

Fiora's probably not going to have much/any room for pen if she wants to keep her stick. Frozen mallet/iceborn (or both) are gonna be important to chase champs like Riven and Singed now.

TEA Nietzsche Jul 14, 20171 votes

Highly doubtful. Also, pretty sure that she still harcounters Singed and still has the advantage against Riven. She is just going to build Hydra+TF like she used to..

HåppyJul 14, 20171 votes

Both Singed and Riven have insane mobility now. Riven can go over any wall she wants as many times as she wants while Fiora needs to hit things, and Singed has a grounding mechanic now that stops her Q, he's able to drift off at lightspeed, and without her ult's movespeed passive once he gets first-item rylais she can't chase him either.

TEA Nietzsche Jul 14, 20171 votes

Wait what.. "as many times as she wants" - lad it works only with 3rd Q which means it takes years until you can do it again and it works only with small walls.. And her 3rd Q has probably a higher CD than Fiora Q without hitting things.

Fiora counters tanks, outscales basically every 1v1 champion (including Riven) and has the edge early aswell. Fiora mains have no right to complain about Riven.

HåppyJul 14, 20171 votes

No, Riven's Q isn't on a higher CD than a no-hit Fiora Q, because Riven rushes 45% cdr (usually has 10-20% in runes, gets ionian and caulfields to 35-45%). Coupled with Valor spam, Riven tends to do the electric slide away from Fiora even with the ult passive, but without it? No chance to keep up.

Fiora is currently only able to stomp champions that don't have reliable outs. If they have even a single decent dash, they escape her. It used to be a really tense, exciting lane (Fiora v Riven that is), though it won't be much of a contest now. If Riven's going to win, Fiora can't escape. If Fiora's going to win, Riven doesn't have to stay to lose.

TEA Nietzsche Jul 14, 20171 votes

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No, Riven's Q isn't on a higher CD than a no-hit Fiora Q, because Riven rushes 45% cdr (usually has 10-20% in runes, gets ionian and caulfields to 35-45%). Coupled with Valor spam, Riven tends to do the electric slide away from Fiora even with the ult passive, but without it? No chance to keep up.

Yeah, there is so much wrong with that. Firstly Fiora has 8 seconds CD compared to Rivens 13 late. Secondly, Riven NEVER TAKES 20% in runes, never more than 10%, where did you get that idea? Thirdly, Riven does not buy Ionian in 99% of the games.

Sliding away? Well that's to be expected for Fiora, not being able to kill the opponent from early on is too much to handle. Fiora outscales Riven super hard so Riven has to win early - except she doesn't. So complaining about that champion that you outscale anyways getting away early seems super weird to me.

Fiora is currently only able to stomp champions that don't have reliable outs. If they have even a single decent dash, they escape her. It used to be a really tense, exciting lane (Fiora v Riven that is), though it won't be much of a contest now. If Riven's going to win, Fiora can't escape. If Fiora's going to win, Riven doesn't have to stay to lose.

Stomp? Maybe. Have an advantage? Basically every matchup aside from Pantheon, Kayle, Trynd and maybe a few others.

If they have even a single decent dash, they escape her. It used to be a really tense, exciting lane (Fiora v Riven that is), though it won't be much of a contest now. If Riven's going to win, Fiora can't escape. If Fiora's going to win, Riven doesn't have to stay to lose.

MegagonJul 14, 20171 votes

She still and will ALWAYS counter singed (Insert parry,Insert %health true dmg)

HåppyJul 14, 20171 votes

Singed is currently Initial D, coupled with his Grounding mechanic means Fiora can't chase him effectively, ever since they removed the perm movespeed from her ult.

MegagonJul 14, 20171 votes

fiora e and w slow,if he dares flip her she has enough time to press w stun him and can burst him with her vitals/ult

Big LincolnJul 14, 20172 votes

Nothing wrong with champions who snowball

If this gives me an excuse to ask for Jayce nerfs, that's just icing on the cake

HåppyJul 14, 20171 votes

Snowball champs are all well and good, but only to an extent.

ClementineJul 14, 20172 votes

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HåppyJul 14, 20172 votes

naughty janna

ClementineJul 14, 20171 votes

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HåppyJul 14, 20171 votes

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ClementineJul 14, 20171 votes

That's a Lulu player over on EUW!

HåppyJul 14, 20171 votes

you seen Pornstar Annie yet?

ClementineJul 14, 20171 votes

I'm friends with Annie Hentai.

HåppyJul 15, 20171 votes

My Moist Lolis name got banned :(

ClementineJul 15, 20172 votes

Aw gross

HåppyMar 16, 20181 votes

I can't believe you've become Clementine, Naughty Janna :(

ClementineMar 17, 2018

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ClementineMar 17, 20181 votes

I was Zoe Porn, Soraka Porn, Lulu Hentai, and something else edgy i think before I swapped to this lol

J4 Ulted MexicoJul 14, 20171 votes

I have no problem if it's Riven

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AirKingNeoJul 14, 20171 votes

Glad lethality isn't broken right now. Just duskblad and Jayce and Riven.

JhonTeemonJul 14, 20171 votes

legend has it, this guy is every lethality users worst nightmare

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/lABhN_sMT8A/maxresdefault.jpg

HåppyJul 14, 20171 votes

Don't worry, he'll save you, 3-4 seconds after you've already died! I mean when Kayne can come out of the wall with item 1400 item 3117 item 3031 item 3094 item 3508 item 3147 and the W+AA actually just full-on instakills your ADC as fast as old Rengar, your delayed invuln doesn't mean too much.

BabyNaixJul 14, 20171 votes

Is riven even a lane bully though and would lethality even be that good top lane? most top lanner are beefy.

HåppyJul 15, 20171 votes

Yes, she is a lane bully. Yes, lethality is good top lane. And beefy top laners are the reason lethality is good top lane.

ShadòwJul 15, 20171 votes

well it's still less snowbally than Armor Pen.

But tbh with the pre patch Lethality system you got punished when you tried to kill the ADC. the whole Shield Spam + Lifesteal made it impossible for Assassins to do their job.

Trust me, this doesn't make fun when you are ahead but it doesn't mean anything because your Lethality scales with the enemies level. That made never sense to me.