Nobody should be scared of not being able to play their champ, When 10 bans come out.

Rivuo·Dec 11, 2016·74 votes·5,059 views

If your champ is constantly banned with 10 banns then there is something wrong with that champion.

At that point you should welcome changes or nerfs

The obvious champs that will most likely be banned constantly are

Those are the 6 that i constantly see banned no matter what.

Of course your experience / what you see will be different but im just saying all of these champs have some balance problems whether you agree or not that need to be taken care of.

In that situation nobody should get mad if they are banned.

125 Comments

YerAWizardCarryDec 11, 201621 votes

I guess my summoner name is useless :(

( It used to be DONT BAN YAS )

Tyler1CloneDec 12, 20168 votes

I always ban Yasuo because I hate people who play him usually sorry maybe you're diffrent

Spicy RiceDec 12, 201616 votes

Banning someone's best champ generally isn't the best way to win games and foster teamwork

TequilaZombieDec 12, 201617 votes

Banning someone's pick intent solely because you don't like it's usual players is as stupid as it can go.

You know that the players are usually arrogant and prone to tilting. You know that they are a OTP or close to it.

You ban their champion. They will either dodge or troll the shit out of the game.

MuddafragotDec 12, 20168 votes

Pretty sure he never said that was his ONLY reason for banning yas.

Naomi CoffeeGoatDec 12, 20162 votes

Can confirm have actually been mad my own team banning Kha'Zix as my pick intent 3 times in a row. Ended up playing AD Sona top out of rage.

Cryo00Dec 11, 201616 votes

With the Syndra nerfs on the PBE, I HOPE she isn't banned so much next patch (Really miss playing her T_T). Rengar got his ridiculous scaling on his passive reduced and I feel that Lee just needs his early damage toned down a bit (or a lot).

Yasuo's design is such that he will be very annoying to deal with no matter how many nerfs he gets.

The nerfs I can think of that may fix him are

He gets the 50% bonus armour pen only on the champions he ulted.
he has to use his E to generate flow, walking does not do anything.
Switch the crit reductions of his autos and Q.
As with every other skill in the game, reduce the cooldown cap of his Q from 66% to 45%.

The only reason I'm letting the windwall slide is that against champs with no projectiles, he is essentially fighting with three abilities.

My perma-ban changed from Yasuo to Fizz. Fuck fizz, he hits level 2, uses two skills and more than half your health disappears. He also gets a free pass on mistakes thanks to his E.

Papa AndreiDec 12, 20161 votes

She should be fine after those, the issues was the sheer amount of free damage early game she got and how it ramped up so hard after maxing W

Sraeg2013Dec 12, 20162 votes

Yeah, but most people cry how they got 100-0'd by Syndra at level 6 with only her ult.

You can't reason with that kind of stupidity.

Papa AndreiDec 12, 20161 votes

Well to be fair, it is a bit annoying to be Flash, R, ignite, and have 900 health gone instantly.

Sraeg2013Dec 12, 20162 votes

If you meant at level 6, then it doesn't happen ever.

SmileInABoxDec 11, 20167 votes

Anivia Khazix Zyra will probs be permabanned too from my experience.

RivuoDec 11, 201617 votes

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will probs be permabanned too from my experience.

As much as i hate to say it

_I have never realized how downright stupid Anivia can be _

Until my last 5 encounters with her.

I genuinely hope zilean and Anivia never become Meta.

Shadow HazardDec 11, 20163 votes

I am just happy that he has a low play rate in mid lane even when he showed up the odd times in pro play

Nathaniell1Dec 11, 20163 votes

Damn.. Im yet to see it than... She has to hit you with slow moving skillshot, than get to 600 range to E you and doesnt have instant dmg dealing ultimate lik the rest of AP champs.. how is she strong?

TheySeeMeWardinDec 12, 20162 votes

Well a good Anivia can almost always land her q if you use her wall correctly. Her q damage (which can be applied twice if you let it hit the target then recast for the second damage and stun) then her e (which is doubled if you get the stun off) and while all of this is happening you have her ult going and thunderlords procs somewhere in that chaos. I love Anivia, but she's a little on the strong side.

SeenanDec 12, 20162 votes

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As much as i hate to say it

_I have never realized how downright stupid Anivia can be _

Until my last 5 encounters with her.

I genuinely hope zilean and Anivia never become Meta.

I hope Zil does become meta so that Riot guts his stupid shit.

Tribbles FoxfolkDec 12, 20165 votes

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As much as i hate to say it

_I have never realized how downright stupid Anivia can be _

Until my last 5 encounters with her.

I genuinely hope zilean and Anivia never become Meta.

Anivia was meta for a while, I think back in Season 5 or early Season 6, when a few AP items got buffed to hell and Thunderlord's was at its peak.

As far as I know about Zilean, he hasn't been meta, but he's been a terrifying OTP choice since nobody bans him. He's pretty high-skill and strongly benefits from Thunderlord's Decree.

rtbf76109271Dec 12, 20163 votes

they nerfed her r + spike so that's better now. That was by far the stupidest thing

BakedLotionDec 12, 20165 votes

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will probs be permabanned too from my experience.

Anivia justgot olafd tho. And who the fuck bans anivia

Reaper SorakaDec 12, 20161 votes

If Anivia catches on she will be my ban over Shyvana/Vi; she needs a longer cooldown on R, or to not be allowed crit from e just from rer.

She's more annoying than a raka player. :P

TheySeeMeWardinDec 12, 20162 votes

She doesn't crit from her r anymore unless its at full size (which takes 1.5 seconds). So her burst isn't instant like it use to be. RIP one shot Anivia early season 6.

KoKobotoDec 11, 20167 votes

I mostly find Lee Sin and Yasuo incredibly toxic to play with or against Hecarim and Syndra snowball insanely and can be pretty ridiculous at times.

Cryo00Dec 12, 20163 votes

Yasuo and Lee Sin's are not only annoying as fuck to play against but most of the players are toxic as fuck too, so even when they are on your team it's not fun.

PermabannedGarenDec 12, 20166 votes

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If your champ is constantly banned with 10 banns then there is something wrong with that champion.

Or there is something wrong with the community.

Reaper SorakaDec 12, 20165 votes

People will run out of 'op picks' and just ban things that they find mildly inconvenient.

Soraka item 3070

iTaLenTZDec 12, 20164 votes

Heca and Syndra are just meta and not consistently strong no matter what.

Troll for TrumpDec 12, 20164 votes

Darius because people just don't like him. Pantheon could be a thing, though that's personally. Kennen Jayce seem hated a lot in higher elos and on Boards, especially Jayce. Ivern 's getting nerfs, but a lil strong right now Leblanc banned in high elos.

SGT Dingle BerryDec 11, 20163 votes

Didn't they say they weren't doing 10 bans?

EndlessSorcererDec 11, 201619 votes

Last I heard, Meddler said they were still planning to.

Source?

RivuoDec 11, 20163 votes

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Last I heard, Meddler said they were still planning to.

Source?

I'm sure it'll still happen. I never seen a ''it wont happen'' by a rioter.. If anything they're setting it up as we speak

Bob4131Dec 12, 20162 votes

here's the post where meddler talked about it http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/99Oykczu-so-about-10-bans?comment=0026

EndlessSorcererDec 12, 20162 votes

You linked to a random comment in the thread, not Meddler's post.

Anyways, Meddler posted:

We're still planning to look into 10 bans once the new client's out (changes needed to champ select for extra bans would be made in that, not the old client). I think it's quite likely we move to a 10 ban system, though that's not guaranteed yet.

They are quite likely to introduce 10 bans after everyone is moved over to the new client.

RivuoDec 11, 201634 votes

[{quoted}](name=SGT Dingle Berry,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WvBQEhvr,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-12-11T19:47:00.642+0000)

Didn't they say they weren't doing 10 bans?

I dont recall them ever saying that. Im sure they said they're going to do 10 bans

A FLUFFY BUNNY 1Dec 12, 201614 votes

So more dodges in every lobby then? Great can't wait....

AMYS GRAVEDec 12, 201621 votes

It will be bad at first with more dodges but will sort itself out after a day as leaverbuster kicks in. I for one can't wait for the game to be unplayable for people who constantly queue dodge.

DunkinNoobsDec 12, 20163 votes

There is nothing Riot can do to Yasuo that would satisfy both his players and his haters. At least I'm higher elo so I don't have to worry about the Yasuo hate-train as much. I feel bad for the silver Yasuo mains though, not getting to play their champ because a bunch of children can't be bothered to actually learn this game.

Automated RivenDec 12, 20169 votes

I would be happy if yas ulting under tower didnt place him outside tower range. IE he ults lee. if lee is under tower yas takes agro .. if lee is not under tower yas doesnt take agro. . and reducing the time that yas can keep his tornado up to like 3 or 4 seconds. (after the cool down of course.) If he wasnt zoning you off of cs every 7 seconds for 10 seconds that would be nice.

DunkinNoobsDec 12, 20163 votes

You're not getting zoned off of CS by Yasuo's tornado unless you're already getting your ass kicked.

Automated RivenDec 12, 20166 votes

yes and no. If your even then his ability to trade with a knockup and get back out without taking minion agro is really really annoying. yes the zone gets increasingly more dificult to play around when he is ahead but that doesnt mean you dont have to dance around it when your even. especially if he is able to kill you in a 1v1 assuming he plays it right.

DunkinNoobsDec 12, 20165 votes

It's a moment of power for him, as it's intended to be. Frankly, I wouldn't mind it getting nerfed. I think having his tornado duration scale with ranks in Q could be a fine change. 6/7/8/9/10 instead of a flat 10 at all ranks.

Automated RivenDec 12, 20164 votes

I agree. but the issue his moment of power lasts longer then its downtime early on. and it just gets worse the longer into the game you go.

DunkinNoobsDec 12, 20165 votes

It only lasts that long if he holds onto it that long. That rarely happens. In ranged matchups, Yasuo is typically forced to use his tornado to CS. In melee matchups, his tornado is often the only way he can safely walk up to the wave against many champions. The lane is hardly in complete control for Yasuo whenever his tornado is up; many champs can zone him hard enough to force him to use it at range and many champs can easily outplay it even if he tries to use it. It's hardly like TF gold card where you're just zoned off whenever he has it locked in.

drakuIa421Dec 12, 20162 votes

the thing is, almost everything in yasuo's kit annoys most of the playerbase, so even if they nerf him to the ground, people will still hate and ban him just because they think his kit is toxic to play against. the only thing that will stop all this hate is a total rework.

Whiteeye AvelynDec 12, 20162 votes

Most of the boards we don't make up more then 5% at most. i just play annie and murder yasuos so i really don't carry about him being pick

AninLegions777Dec 12, 20163 votes

If your champ is constantly banned with 10 banns then there is something wrong with that champion.

BS. This is just because people aren't ready to face those champs. I remember when Zed used to be banned every game at some point. Then Heca became meta and suddenly everyone knew how to face a Zed. It's all about who's annoying. If I go mid, I won't ban Zed cos I have a lot of ways to win him but others might ban him cos they don't want to face him. Doesn't mean there's a problem with the champ.

tysupDec 12, 20162 votes

If everyone has 30 seconds to ban and pick their champ, according to this math the longest a champ select can be is:

30 seconds x 20 picks/bans = 600 600 seconds / 60 secs = 10 minutes

10 minutes if everyone holds back till 0. Imagine dodging 5 seconds before the starts... item 3070

Sraeg2013Dec 12, 20162 votes

Yes, there's a balance problem and it's going to be solved before 10 bans become a thing.

Of course that most likely isn't going to stop people from banning her, because she was played in LCS. What is going to solve it, is another champion being played in LCS and taking her place, at which point everybody will forget she ever existed. Just like they did for the past 4 years.