Is there still a place for bursters in the Tank Meta?

Velasan··1 votes·483 views

I'm not here to complain about the tank meta. I like to switch things up as much as anyone else and am enjoying being able to play some champs I had not touched in a while (rammus ftw).

My main concern is I'm noticing that bursters (speaking primarily of AP bursting here) are becoming weaker. At first I thought they had a good chance to find a niche in the new meta because assassins had all been nerfed (mostly). Problem is now the enemy teams are full of tanks they can't burst and the few assassins left still turn them into jelly a lot of the time (looking at Fizz and Talon!).

It's very noticeable when looking at win rates, if only because the only mages that do well are the ones that are tank busters. Malzahar for example has been near the top for the last few months because of the innate synergy with Liandrys and his kit. By comparison Riot keeps taking burst mages and deciding they need to be less reliable and squishier. For example in the last few months they have reduced the armor/mr on annies fire shield, made veigars abilities all skill shots and delays, changed azir to not do enough damage without building for it (as compared to the original rod of ages type builds), and they got rid of viktors silence a long time ago as well as some of his reliability with his laser and ult.

TL;DR AP bursters have it tough right now and their own tanky qualities keep getting reduced while they have to fight numerous popular tanks who can't be bursted very easily.

Soooo... the question I pose to the community is simply this:

7 Comments

IcyPepper1 votes

Problem is now the enemy teams are full of tanks they can't burst

The key is bursting the squishy adc. Team comps, especially right now, should be relatively balanced in damage and ability to take or dodge damage. The point of tanks is to not be bursted down like a squishy, but too many tanks in one team are susceptible to item 3151 item 3135 item 3001. If they build too much magic resist and you can't reach the squishies with better range and/or mobility, consider using your utility to protect the adc until an opening presents itself to destroy the adc, apc, or any other squishies.

Now, I haven't seen Galio or tanky midlaners taking over quite yet, so I'm sure there's at least two squishies per team. Focus them as the apc and use dat range or mobility. Protect the adc with whatever your kit provides until the enemy frontline is down, then wreak havoc.

Just remember that you can't always burst a tank, position yourself in teamfights, focus priority squishy targets, protect the adc, and know which tools you'll need in your team comp (Do you need range or mobility? Or high utility? Xerath, Leblanc, and Orianna are such examples. Consider Swain as well).

Gengar1 votes

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Now, I haven't seen Galio or tanky midlaners taking over quite yet

Chogath

IcyPepper1 votes

facepalms

I forgot, my bad.

Thankfully, his ultimate is in melee range and his spike thingies have a range of about 550 or so. The silence and knockup is a bitch, but the second can be dodged relatively easy during a 1v1 so I would suggest building boots ASAP.

If Cho builds like an APC, item 3151 should help against his health stacking with ROA and whatever while item 3165 should really help against that pain-in-the-ass sustain. If he builds tank, then... well at least the enemy team is lacking a proper APC. Considering lane-swapping with bot lane, especially if the adc has item 3153

Now, I don't have all the answers (in fact I think I'm a bit of an idiot), but I'm just trying to help.

MLDzXnRRR1 votes

According to champion.gg most popular bursters in Platinum and higher elo are Ahri - 19% play (11 place), Riven 15% - 15, Zed - 14.6% - 16, with lower playrate are LB, Vlad, Kata, Ori, Annie, Yasuo, Diana

MLDzXnRRR1 votes

Zilean, Kha, Karthus, Aatrox, Poppy, Kayle , WW, Mundo, Akali, Morde, Teemo - are the bottom tier

SlytherinUmbreon1 votes

There's also the athene's nerf/"rework." As it stands now, in order to actually get mana regen from athene's I have to get kills, but... Athene's is not an offensive item... So in order to get early mana regen with Athene's, I need to be playing a champion that can burst people without building offensive items? Nothing about this seems reasonable...

Velasan1 votes

So far looks like the answer is no lol. Majority is voting no.

Oh I forgot to mention they reduced Xerath's stun as well about 5 patches back I think.

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