Dear junglers , PLEASE !

SirΤeemο·Apr 27, 2017·14 votes·1,336 views

when i play teemo it doesn't mean i don't need ganks it's season 7 when i get babysitted by enemy jungler , it means you have to come to help, because tower dive is coming when i ask for a gank , and you tell me "fuck off teemo main" you are 100% getting reported . when i tell you DON'T COME because he is too close to my tower and he will tower dive me (when i have low health/mana) because he has nowhere to go , DON'T COME. Because you smurf , it doesn't mean the opponent team don't have smurfs as well . When i play teemo , wait for the poison to go off from the monster of i will be the one with a red buff + exp .

55 Comments

TheJakeinatorApr 27, 20177 votes

You sound like the worst type of person to have on your team

robotmasterApr 27, 20171 votes

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It's a joke chill.

TheJakeinatorApr 27, 20171 votes

I've seen this guy on the boards a lot. He isn't joking

SirΤeemοApr 27, 20172 votes

i never talked about teemo before o.o yet you are on every single post on the boards

69469238DEL1Apr 27, 20174 votes

You are the guy who tilts the JG lmao

SirΤeemοApr 27, 20171 votes

ok.. can you explain?

69469238DEL1Apr 27, 20173 votes

Your JG gets invaded by enemy JG and has to flash away to survive, he comes back and can see a good gank bot lane and goes for it. All this while a Teemo who's getting solo killed top cries in chat and spams pings.

AdeBugApr 27, 20171 votes

so if it happened to you once, it must be in all games, ok

69469238DEL1Apr 27, 20171 votes

Its one of multiple very common scenarios, you also have to take into account the jungle nerfs. Longer spawn times with less exp and gold, getting counter jungled or losing dragon because Teemo top lane says "I want ganks right now" is Silver elo thinking

AdeBugApr 27, 20171 votes

as I was saying in a diff post, u can replace teemo with any other champ and have valid stuff still

I honestly do not see any lane asking for ganks more than any other lane, nor any champ asking for ganks more frequently than any other champ - in my games or in streams

for the record, im not a teemo main, i jungled more than anything and top is my least played role, therefore, hopefully, not biased

SirΤeemοApr 28, 20171 votes

who talked about spamming pings and crying? lol

Alex h8721Apr 27, 20174 votes

I enjoy ganking for teemos, the faster I can get a teemo to 6 the faster we can have shrooms for days for gank assist and map coverage, also if teemo is decently ahead of his melee lane opponent he becomes the bully. And even though he doesnt have CC his blind is a good gank assist tool and his W can help him secure the kill when the enemy laner runs.

Now granted this is for a good teemo player, If you've already fed 2 kills to the enemy toplaner before I hit 6 I ain't comin up there bruh.

SirΤeemοApr 27, 20173 votes

people don't understand why teemo is important to a game . he grants :

vision 2.protect bushes 3.baits 4.multi kills on team fights (shrooms) or lowering a lot the opponents hp
when you make a lane mine land of shrooms , 1. you don't get ganked , enemies will be afraid and make mistakes
when enemies are pushing and there are shrooms ahead , and step on them , they will have to back and not push.

TheJakeinatorApr 27, 20172 votes

Enemy team buys item 3364 . Congrats now you are a caster minion

SirΤeemοApr 27, 20171 votes

? you know that season 7 is tankmo not ap teemo right? those are the items i personally buy , and believe it or not , it's a free win

RottedApplesApr 28, 20171 votes

first two items, hell yeah every game. beyond that i do whatever i need in the situation. Sometimes i get a wits end first though but usually it's botrk/mallet.

MelvearApr 28, 20171 votes

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? you know that season 7 is tankmo not ap teemo right? those are the items i personally buy , and believe it or not , it's a free win

I don't see why tank teemo is better than AP teemo at the moment, or at any time really. You ditch your entire scaling, might as well play another champion who would benefit from the AD.

SirΤeemοApr 28, 20171 votes

pretty much because you have : attack speed lifesteal increased heal by 25% around to 3k hp reduced damage slow opponents on hit reflect damage on them 150-180 armor 100-140 ms

MelvearApr 28, 20171 votes

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pretty much because you have : attack speed lifesteal increased heal by 25% around to 3k hp reduced damage slow opponents on hit reflect damage on them 150-180 armor 100-140 ms

Yes, I've seen the items in your build. None of the have any synergy with Teemo's kit though. Teemo's AS boost isn't exactly easy to use and it's the only thing that would have some form of synergy.

Might as well play Quinn or Vayne or Graves if you're going that route. They benefit from the extra AD and AS more than Teemo through ability and passive scalings. Graves even scales better with health because of his passive.

The only benefit of Teemo with this build, compared to the options I listed, would be the extra map control he brings with his shrooms, but with only 10% cdr and no AP, they're really just glorified wards with a small sight radius.

SirΤeemοApr 28, 20171 votes

bro , as a teemo main for 4 years i think i know what im talking about . everything has it's purpose .

nobody believe ad soraka was a think until videos on youtube pop up ^__^

Also if you notice some ap champs are "better" as hybrid or tank .

MelvearApr 28, 20171 votes

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bro , as a teemo main for 4 years i think i know what im talking about . everything has it's purpose .

nobody believe ad soraka was a think until videos on youtube pop up ^__^

Also if you notice some ap champs are "better" as hybrid or tank .

I'm not saying it doesn't work, I'm saying it's a suboptimal use of the champion, and that using the same build on other short ranged carries would probably bring even better results.

I've seen AD Annie work, doesn't mean it's the best way to use her.

As far as ap champs being better as hybrid or tank, I assume you mean Ekko and Fizz. While it's true that they can use those builds with great success, I believe it has more to do with their kit having enough tools to enable that role for them (CC, base damage, mobility and in Ekko's case, self sustain/reset)

Again, I'm not saying it's a bad build, I just think it's not a great Teemo build. It actually looks a lot like what you would expect out of an Olaf or Trundle

SirΤeemοApr 28, 20171 votes

well it highly depends on the opponent team , if you play ap build vs a fiora , you will be her bitch early game... buy if you build fronze mallet/bork you will kill her easy , and abuse her with E . for ad annie , it doesn't work because annie uses her skills in order to get kills,farm so being an ad you make her 100% useless . and, yea ekko and fizz pretty much ...

that build for teemo is for high elo games mostly , where top lane is played by hard tank champions . and you you will a lot of ganks against you , because you are teemo and you are squishy . whatever you build on teemo , it works well , because of his kit . even support teemo . each build has it's own reason and depends highly on the opponent and ally team .

Asayake 5150glowApr 28, 20171 votes

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Yes, I've seen the items in your build. None of the have any synergy with Teemo's kit though. Teemo's AS boost isn't exactly easy to use and it's the only thing that would have some form of synergy.

Might as well play Quinn or Vayne or Graves if you're going that route. They benefit from the extra AD and AS more than Teemo through ability and passive scalings. Graves even scales better with health because of his passive.

The only benefit of Teemo with this build, compared to the options I listed, would be the extra map control he brings with his shrooms, but with only 10% cdr and no AP, they're really just glorified wards with a small sight radius.

Teemo has slows from his R, has a Blind with nearly 50% uptime, and decent movespeed. He's also got built in onhit damage.

Vayne is weaker early game and her W may not make up for Teemo E damage. Her kiting isn't as strong against certain champions because she doesn't get movespeed or slows (she only gets movespeed away from enemies), although it's also stronger against some champions. She's weaker against champions who can stick to her.

Quinn's Blind is much less reliable and slightly less powerful, although that depends who you're fighting. She does have a handy 40% movespeed and 80% attack speed, but her base damages are a lot lower (no DPS based auto attack enhancer like Vayne W or Teemo E, so she tends to be fairly item reliant for good damage).

Mostly, it's because of the movespeed, shroom slows, and 50% uptime Blind. The damage is just a bonus.

Also since you can throw a shroom into the minions if you think they're gonna engage and run away, because if they do engage they'll be splashed by the shroom and slowed.

SirΤeemοApr 28, 20171 votes

well, in order to slow something with R he must step on the shroom , it's not a skill shot . about his Q it's being nerfed really hard on season 5 , as riot added 2.5 more seconds on cdr and reduced the ap ratio from 90% to 70% .

Vayne and teemo are different champs and teemo's E deals more damage on hit and damage over time. while vayne needs 3 hits to drop an increased hit damage .

Quinn's blind is really hard to counter , at least teemo's blind doesn't make your screen black ! and quiin counters (kinda) teemo.

about the shroom on waves , it's very situational and we (teemo mains) do it only few times during the game in order to push asap . or to bully the enemy laner when he is lower than 50% health . we prefer to shroom all bushes and outside of bushes as well as the top side of river to prevent ganks and provide vision for our jungler .

Asayake 5150glowApr 28, 20171 votes

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well, in order to slow something with R he must step on the shroom , it's not a skill shot . about his Q it's being nerfed really hard on season 5 , as riot added 2.5 more seconds on cdr and reduced the ap ratio from 90% to 70% .

Nerfed really hard in S5? huh?

Weird, I remember the cooldown being 6 seconds (it's 8 now)... Still, it's a 2.5 second blind, and with CDR that's huge for reducing damage.

Vayne and teemo are different champs and teemo's E deals more damage on hit and damage over time. while vayne needs 3 hits to drop an increased hit damage .

Ye but I'm not sure if Vayne's every third hit will outdps Teemo's E if they both proc them consistently.

Quinn's blind is really hard to counter , at least teemo's blind doesn't make your screen black ! and quiin counters (kinda) teemo.

Well, it can be dodged. It can also be minion blocked. And _if _you get into melee range, it does nothing. Teemo's fucks auto attackers because they do almost no damage for 2.5 seconds, but more ability reliant champions shit on him more.

about the shroom on waves , it's very situational and we (teemo mains) do it only few times during the game in order to push asap . or to bully the enemy laner when he is lower than 50% health . we prefer to shroom all bushes and outside of bushes as well as the top side of river to prevent ganks and provide vision for our jungler .

Meh, it's a pretty good zoning tool. Want that CS? Well, here's a mushroom if you want to get close enough to take it.

RageQ2Apr 27, 20172 votes

And that's why I go jg, because I don't rely on other bad junglers that don't do their jobs, sure I may miss a lane, but only because 1, you're not winning or have a terrible champ when it comes to snowballing or 2, the opportunity is there, but I'm cycling through my camps to rush important levels or items

AnhartaminApr 27, 20172 votes

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SirΤeemοApr 27, 20171 votes

AptestApr 28, 20171 votes

teemo is not useless he's just a backliner champion and he needs you to be frontline and not pick a squish assassin fulldamage nothing else trash that can't make plays.

48983507DEL1Apr 27, 20172 votes

I really want to make helpful and meaningful comment about your post, but my inner melee champion is telling me to write a paragraph about how you are a soulless abomination of a person for playing that disgusting rat.

SirΤeemοApr 27, 20171 votes

Thank you

AdeBugApr 27, 20171 votes

for almost all of your points, if you replace 'teemo' with any other top lane champ, those points would still be valid, with only 1 exception, if you're getting camped, your jg can also successfully camp another lane, maybe take a first tower before ur tower dies, that's still ok. but yea, it's desirable to have your jglers help if you're camped, no matter the lane

and on the receiving end, some jglers won't gank against a Teemo, either, which is pretty dumb, especially before 6. there ARE ways n tips to do it, i guess playing Teemo does help with some insight on how to gank a teemo :P

bronze Q: when did +E first become a thing, rather than +Q first? haven't visited guides in a while, but I know that poison does piss jglers off so it's safer to just take Q at level 1 and maybe even max it first if you're goin full ap no AS

HAIL TEEMO!

MelvearApr 28, 20171 votes

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for almost all of your points, if you replace 'teemo' with any other top lane champ, those points would still be valid, with only 1 exception, if you're getting camped, your jg can also successfully camp another lane, maybe take a first tower before ur tower dies, that's still ok. but yea, it's desirable to have your jglers help if you're camped, no matter the lane

and on the receiving end, some jglers won't gank against a Teemo, either, which is pretty dumb, especially before 6. there ARE ways n tips to do it, i guess playing Teemo does help with some insight on how to gank a teemo :P

bronze Q: when did +E first become a thing, rather than +Q first? haven't visited guides in a while, but I know that poison does piss jglers off so it's safer to just take Q at level 1 and maybe even max it first if you're goin full ap no AS

HAIL TEEMO!

I've used E first for the past 2 or 3 years. It's free harass, it helps a lot with last hitting and it hurts like hell early game.

SirΤeemοApr 28, 20171 votes

you max E first because you deal more damage on hit (so you can bully the other laner) and you deal damage over time (damage for 4 sec) this came up when Q was nerfed and cdr was increased from 3.5 sec to 5.6 sec on s5

Asayake 5150glowApr 27, 20171 votes

{quoted} when i tell you DON'T COME because he is too close to my tower and he will tower dive me (when i have low health/mana) because he has nowhere to go , DON'T COME.

Wut

SirΤeemοApr 28, 20171 votes

when i am undertower 100-150 hp + no mana + no potions and the opponent laner is stronger or tankier and has low health as well, but i can't go near him because he will dash and kill me he has nowhere to go than tower dive and kill me IF the jungler comes to the lane .

Asayake 5150glowApr 28, 20172 votes

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when i am undertower 100-150 hp + no mana + no potions and the opponent laner is stronger or tankier and has low health as well, but i can't go near him because he will dash and kill me he has nowhere to go than tower dive and kill me IF the jungler comes to the lane .

Then why don't you go further away.

If he can dive you, period, it makes no difference if the jungler is there. If the jungler comes and he dives you, well then he would've dove you if the jungler hadn't come either.

Just don't go near them, either ping ur jungle back if they'll lose the 1v1, but if the enemy is low health often your jungler can solo-kill them.

SirΤeemοApr 28, 20171 votes

that's easy to say, but everything happens in few seconds ... so reacting in such a short period of time , it's not a thing for all the players on all times brother !

Asayake 5150glowApr 28, 20171 votes

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that's easy to say, but everything happens in few seconds ... so reacting in such a short period of time , it's not a thing for all the players on all times brother !

What do you mean reacting.

If he can dive you, period, don't go near him. If you're Teemo and they aren't an immobile tank/juggernaut, just recall. Don't even get near them before the gank is happening, and don't go near them during the gank either. Don't get baited by your jungler.

Volibear BossApr 28, 20171 votes

I recomment a new build man, there are far better tank builds for teemo.

SirΤeemοApr 28, 20171 votes

that's the build i prefer most of the times my friend it depends on the team you play against

LuggApr 28, 20171 votes

If you are a good teemo player doing a leash for your jungler, you don't put a point into your poison until after the leash.

NylisaApr 28, 20171 votes

sorrry but unrelated question "new player here trying to learn" whats wrong with teemo that someone would say "fuck off teemo main" ?

SirΤeemοApr 28, 20172 votes

-.-

NylisaApr 28, 20171 votes

sorry xD i will look it up myself then see if i can find anything.i dont see anything wrong with teemo.was just wondering.

my apologies again didn't mean to waste your time or be rude.

SirΤeemοApr 28, 20171 votes

Teemo is our Lord and Savior , and shall all hail him ! kappa

MelvearApr 28, 20171 votes

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sorry xD i will look it up myself then see if i can find anything.i dont see anything wrong with teemo.was just wondering.

my apologies again didn't mean to waste your time or be rude.

People hate Teemo, and have since like... S1. He's pretty aggravating to lane against if you're melee, and his ult can really piss people off late game.

AptestApr 28, 20171 votes

probably because the teemo would contribute a blinding dart and maybe 2 AAs to the gank, which would be considered negligible in the context of the gank,

I.E. the teemo is regarded by the jungler as someone who can't help the gank happen and is only there to KS the kill.