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Daily reminder that the Viktor update is horrible and shouldn't go through to live

Spinning Axes·5/2/2016, 2:39:39 AM·56 votes·1,984 views

There has been many posts that have explained why the changes are not productive and will destroy his identity as a champion.

His power should lie in his E, because that's his identity.

Please don't force us to play a champion different than the one we know and love.

EDIT: I think there's a slight misconception here. I don't want Riot to change anything about Viktor's kit.

My intention when creating the post was that his E ability was his core, and he should have a kit built around it. It doesn't necessarily have to be ridiculously overpowered, but it should definitely be the ability that I should be maxing first.

Viktor players like myself began playing Viktor because he's incredibly satisfying to get his combo off, and his laser is a lot of fun to use.

I don't want Riot to change the identity of a champion like they did with Cassiopeia, Mordekaiser, and Graves to an extent.

33 Comments

Jungle Lux God5/2/2016, 1:57:57 PM11 votes

I'm not sure that I would like the updated version on the PBE, nor have I tried it out due to not having access, but I'm not sure that I like your suggestion either.

No champion should have all their power tied into one ability because it just makes them extremely one-dimensional. You either work or you don't, and there's no in-between. If all of Viktor's power is tied to Death Ray then there's no real gameplay outside of "land Death Ray". That makes his other two basic abilities unsatisfying and his ult relatively underwhelming.

Lady Hammerlock5/2/2016, 9:46:48 AM8 votes

"his E is his identity" ................................. That isn't necessarily his identity but more of a core skill

New Viktor does a fuck ton of damage,sure he is a lot less of a one on one kinda champ but that was the thing Viktor isn't a one man show Over time in a team fight you seriously don't wanna leave a New Viktor he is way more deadly in those situations

Forbidden Siren5/2/2016, 12:24:52 PM7 votes

You know they're going through with it because he's no Riven or Lee Sin.

Biff Manly5/2/2016, 1:18:21 PM6 votes

You want a champion's identity to be locked into a single skill? That Riot then has to waste all of his power budget balancing around?

Sounds... familiar. Kassadin Gangplank Blitzcrank

But I'm sure we would all LOVE Viktor if he had the rest of his kit nerfed into the ground to make one ability cool. That's be great.

Jet Alone5/2/2016, 6:29:37 PM5 votes

Viktor is officially being Veigar'd. Expect him to be worthless garbage for three months until riot buffs him enough to make him overpowered. I feel pretty awful about the Viktor changes (especially the bit about him not being a "one man show", that's actually his greatest strength and the thing that made me like him in the first place) but at least he should be tuned up to a good state by the end of the year

UberMagus5/2/2016, 2:50:45 AM3 votes

Like they did with Evelynn? Or Sion? Or Taric? Or Poppy? Or Ashe? Or Ryze? Or Xerath?

:P

Riot changes champs, it's always gonna happen. :)

CoveTemplar5/2/2016, 7:04:04 AM2 votes

But seriously, don't change him pls. Give back his E power and leave him alone, hes not even in a bad place. No better wave clear than other easy clear mid champs.

Sahn Uzal5/2/2016, 2:59:09 PM2 votes

I did not want to be reminded of that... :'[

Mogarl5/2/2016, 5:13:23 PM1 votes

I'm not going to claim that the the current status of Viktor on the PBE is good. As it is when it goes to live Viktor's performance will drop. I actually do like the direction of the new death augment as it actually has the potential to add something to his kit instead of being "insert damage here".

The change to his E augment on the pbe I would like to see is an increase in the time the aftershock can apply damage, something as simple as making the aftershock linger for .25-.5 seconds and do damage once to anyone entering the area. Combined with the increased projectile speed this would make afershock a much more reliable zoning tool.

His ultimate needs some more touch-up but otherwise I like the direction it's going in, although I do not understand why such a massive delay was necessary seeing as how all of his 3 seconds of total possible cc can only hold someone for 3 seconds. This means that If Viktor ults immediately when someone is inside his gravity field he will have 2.5 seconds for his ultimate to be down meaning it will only get off one tick reliably.

225/400/575 + 105%ap -> 250/425/600 + 110%ap (in 2.5 seconds) Never mind everybody I did the math his ult is fine as long as they're cc'd it'll just feel bad anytime they aren't.

All together Viktor will be just as good if not better at deleting people if they're cc'd (basically anyone cc'd around Vik may as well just open up shop) but his burst will now take 2.5 seconds to delete someone. However without this CC Viktor will be incapable of reliably doing anything; Viktor will rarely be useful against anyone who isn't cc'd or weakened. Oh look, Viktor is now better balanced as an assassin than every other assassin.

On a side note I'd really like a change to Viktor's Gravity field augment the current one is just kind of there. It's not bad but it doesn't really add anything. A better augment would be something like Poppy's W making it so that it could interrupt dashes. This would be a considerable power increase on his gravity augment but it would also give you a reason to want to get it as currently I've had gravity field pull enemies out of skillshots more often than I've seen it assist my team.

LXII5/2/2016, 2:52:48 AM1 votes

What is the Viktor update?

Smitemuffin5/3/2016, 2:50:40 PM1 votes

Spot on. Viktor's rework completely ignored his core problems and so is the mage update. Both times they've nerfed his intitial ult damage by about 25%. His rework cut 30% off his base Gravity Field range. Even BEFORE they nerfed his Q shield, Viktor players have to get so close (525) to auto that they lose the trade in lane by default. If you do it during teamfights, you're just committing suicide plain and simple.

EcchiOtakuTM5/4/2016, 1:17:34 AM1 votes

His E has more power for landing both parts thus making it even better for teamfights and when you land stun.

It's basically opening more counterplay to 1on1 but increasing his overall damage as compensation and making his teamfighting his identity.

In such downside is his E is clunkier to use sadly but buff to him overall when played correctly. Plus less noob friendly thus viktor mains don't have to fear noobs just bandwagoning in on him.