Abilities and towers

LlamaSpeed·Jul 4, 2015·45 votes·3,823 views

So Nasus can use his Q on turret But shen cant use his passive on turret, not even a nerfed version http://www.adweek.com/files/imagecache/node-blog/blogs/kermit-lipton-hed-2013.jpg

So Tristana can throw and explode bombs on turrets But Yorick cant use Q on turrets, not even a weakened version http://www.adweek.com/files/imagecache/node-blog/blogs/kermit-lipton-hed-2013.jpg

So Trundle can use his Bite on turrets But rengar cant use Q on turrets anymore, not even a weakened version http://www.adweek.com/files/imagecache/node-blog/blogs/kermit-lipton-hed-2013.jpg

So Shyvana can use her double auto attack Q on turrets But Kennen cant use his passive on turrets, not even a weakened version http://www.adweek.com/files/imagecache/node-blog/blogs/kermit-lipton-hed-2013.jpg

I think ill just sip my tea

60 Comments

The EcdysiastJul 4, 201525 votes

You had me up until the Jax, who already annihilates turrets.

Rew711Jul 4, 20153 votes

Still wonders why Ekko can E a turret, but Corki can deal his passive bonus 10% AD damage on a turret.

Heckin SupportJul 4, 20158 votes

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Still wonders why can E a turret, but can deal his passive bonus 10% AD damage on a turret.

Corki 's passive is true damage..

5000000000000000Jul 4, 20151 votes

It's 10% AD damage. It's true damage. No, it's 10% AD true damage!

Ancestor007Jul 5, 20151 votes

I am confused

5000000000000000Jul 5, 20151 votes

It scales off AD but it deals true damage on-hit?

DanofDemaciaJul 4, 201515 votes

Hiemendingers turrets and even shacos can hit turrets but zyras plants cant? did i do it right

WheatloafJul 4, 20157 votes

Zyra has plants, which have AI to match their roots.

BakedLotionJul 4, 20159 votes

Shen's passive actually works on turrets

TulareJul 4, 20152 votes

I don't think it does. You get the sound effect associated with it triggering over and over again, which means that it isn't actually discharging on hit.

BorblandJul 4, 201511 votes

It does. I get the bonus damage, but attacking the tower doesnt refresh the CD by 1 sec for each auto.

BakedLotionJul 4, 20151 votes

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I don't think it does. You get the sound effect associated with it triggering over and over again, which means that it isn't actually discharging on hit.

Nah it does dmg. It just doesnt reduce cd per auto

TussJul 4, 20152 votes

Might be thinking about Kennen Kennen

Solidair3Jul 4, 20154 votes

It's a case by case basis for Riot. Some champs they want to be turret busters, and some they don't want to have that power. Jinx vs Ashe, for instance.

Devack The HolyJul 4, 20154 votes

Honestly, Jinx's turret destruction power needs to be toned down slightly. She can destroy a full health turret before anyone has a chance to respond. (Probably a nerf to Pow-Pow's passive attack speed gain)

I Miss CannonJul 4, 20152 votes

Yeah, they wanted to nerf her early game turret cheese but the thing is she can still do it...

FantasySniperJul 4, 20151 votes

To be more specific, some methods became too powerful when they already had plenty of capability elsewhere.

Jinx doesn't have the kill potential that Ashe does, but she can push and take down turrets more effectively. So when Ashe was able to do both, they fixed it.

Rengar can get easy kills as an assassin and is resourceless, so of course you don't want to give him the ability to swallow turrets whole.

WolfBVJul 5, 20153 votes

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It's a case by case basis for Riot. Some champs they want to be turret busters, and some they don't want to have that power. Jinx vs Ashe, for instance.

It was fun seeing ashe using a machine gun bow on turrets. Felt so satisfying.

AuroramancerJul 4, 20153 votes

It's almost like dealing spell damage to a tower is part of a champion's power in their kit

Crazy talk, illuminati confirmed

ShuffledPancakeJul 4, 20152 votes

But that's none of my business loved that video

FastAsHeckJul 4, 20152 votes

take my +1. i dont see why nasus can kill a tower with 3 q's while rengo is not allowed to.

Kuroi86Jul 4, 20151 votes

Susan is meant to bust towers, Rengo is meant to bust squishy backliners.

The TrentJul 4, 20153 votes

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take my +1. i dont see why nasus can kill a tower with 3 q's while rengo is not allowed to.

bruh Rengar is doing good right now lol and u obviously weren't here for old Rengo if u seriously think that.

What Is SmiteJul 4, 20155 votes

ah old rengar, you could go assassin, bruiser, or tank and still demolish towers

Ancestor007Jul 5, 20151 votes

Remember ap rengar? The one-shots make me feel nostalgic.

I Miss CannonJul 4, 20152 votes

Nasus needs his splitpushing as much as Tryndamere needs it, it's the only thing he got. Rengo can jump on a squishy and kill him without giving him any reaction time (>1000 damage dealt in 0.5 seconds is what i usually see in the death recap...).

OperationDEEZ1Jul 5, 20151 votes

Doesn't Nasus also have late-game raidboss status?

I Miss CannonJul 6, 20151 votes

He's so horrible early game that basically everyone can shut him down so he doesn't have 700 Stacks at Minute 20. He's also not the best Tank in the game because he has to build things like Frozen Heart and Trinity Force. An ADC with LW and QSS can basically kite him to death and there's nothing he can do about that. While it May be annoying that he pressures you to end the game as early as possible because sonner or later he will reach enough Stacks, I think he's in a pretty okay spot unlike Rengar who is just totally unfun to play against as squishy. What can Alistar/Lucu/etc. do when they can't even react because Rengar kills their carry in 0.5 seconds..

Mandang0Jul 5, 20151 votes

And yet, Nasus is still more fun to play with.

FastAsHeckJul 7, 20151 votes

i used it as an example, thinking again it was a pretty bad one :/ sorry it was late

Clapper of AssesJul 4, 20152 votes

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ChaosThiefJul 5, 20151 votes

Completely irrelevant, I'm afraid.

DeadPuddleJul 4, 20151 votes

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So Nasus can use his Q on turret But shen cant use his passive on turret, not even a nerfed version

Nasus is a lane pusher, shen is a tank support

So Tristana can throw and explode bombs on turrets But Yorick cant use Q on turrets, not even a weakened version

Yorick is a lane pusher and is a mess to balance, he needs reworking

So Trundle can use his Bite on turrets But rengar cant use Q on turrets anymore, not even a weakened version http://www.adweek.com/files/imagecache/node-blog/blogs/kermit-lipton-hed-2013.jpg

trundle is a top lane pusher, rengar is a jungle carry

So Shyvana can use hero double auto attack Q on turrets But Jax can't use his W on turrets, not even a weakened version

your solution

lets give every champ in the game a turret destroying ability and have every character be a lane pusher? while were at it give every champ a ranged auto and a passive that deals extra damage to champions.

lets make every champion the same?

PæanJul 4, 20151 votes

Didn't riot weaken turrets so split pushing was a more potent strategy? thought I hate losing because that 0-20 trynda mere or udyr has decided to never leave a lane and eventually get our nexus towers.

I think a tool tip edit would help with CLARITY

DeadPuddleJul 5, 20151 votes

No, they strengthened turrets but due to the baron buff changes it now benefits split pushing strategies, they also added/buffed split pushing items such as Zz'Rot Portal/Banner of command.

PæanJul 5, 20151 votes

I'm guessing the changes aren't live? I thought riot wanted to remove the slow and the damage reduction ob all laser turrets. :O

Chespin2013Jul 4, 20151 votes

wait trundle bite works on turrets did not know this

junglerboy16Jul 4, 20151 votes

yup, that's the reason he's one of the top tower killers in the game, right alongside Nasus, Jax, and Jinx, because they all have strong steroids or auto attack modifiers, or in Trundle's case, both (bonus AD after using Q, bonus AS from W, bonus on hit damage from Q, auto attack reset from Q, sheen proc on Q).

When playing Trundle, he's on a timer. Early game you can't really get him to budge out of lane, and after level 13 you cannot 1v1 him unless you are a Nasus with a lot of stacks or a Poppy. Even yesterday, I was down several kills as a jungler who had connected 6 minutes late, and once I hit 13 I straight up 1v1ed their Fiora and killed her with 50% HP left because that is precisely what trundle is designed for.

KingKong2350Jul 5, 20151 votes

I really cant believe there aren't more trundles out there. He might be the best 1v1 in the game

Emperor AntaresJul 5, 20151 votes

lol no.

junglerboy16Jul 5, 20151 votes

lol yes.

He is a class duelist who thrives in situations where he can fight another duelist, which definitionally makes him one of the strongest 1v1 champs in the game (1v1 champ designed to outperform 1v1 champs is automatically superior to other 1v1 champs). Only someone like a Nasus can stand toe to toe with him because of Wither's AS slow

If you don't think he is strong like that, you're probably one of those people who builds him full tank and skips Trinity force and Hydra/BotRK, because he is actually quite weak when built without damage items.

junglerboy16Jul 4, 20151 votes

The reason Trundle can and Rengar can't all comes down to intended roles and play styles. Rengar is designed to be an assassin (at least that's what Riot keeps telling us). Assassins are good at killing squishy champs and moderate to good dueling. that's a lot of pros and few cons, so they nerfed him to not be good at split pushing too. it had the desired affect and now you almost never see a rengar split push unless totally desperate. Trundle on the other hand is a beefy AD duelist, but he has almost no burst and hardly any mobility to speak of. he is built and centered around zone control and dueling, which are exceptional in split pushing and 1v1s, but rather mediocre in a team fight outside of ulting the enemy tank to let you soak damage longer.

Rengar is designed to start team fights by diving in on the enemy carries, Trundle is designed to avert them by forcing multiple enemies to come fight him on his terms.

Hard PenetratorJul 4, 20151 votes

Malphite old W increased dmg on turrets, his new W does not.

Halp!

ZarxisJul 4, 20151 votes

Riot uses structure/ability interaction as a balance lever— while this is effective, it sacrifices clarity and consistency. One could argue that it is the only reason that Jax doesn't exist solely as a splitpusher... But at the same time, it doesn't make sense that one guy can thwack a tower harder with an ability while another can't.

Making each champion's structure/ability interactions unique is a mixed bag of good and bad design. It adds balance and depth to champions (more for the player to learn), but it can also add frustration.

If you want a game in which most damaging abilities affect turrets, try Heroes of the Storm.

LuggJul 4, 20151 votes

You blew it on the Jax. Jax takes towers stupid fast already.

LlamaSpeedJul 4, 20151 votes

Jax does already wreck turrets mb

Nidalee SO NYAAAJul 4, 20151 votes

Cait's headshot does not work on towers ether

ChaosThiefJul 5, 20151 votes

So headshotting a tower is a thing now? Or do you want it to be?

BeatzBoyFTWJul 5, 20151 votes

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So Nasus can use his Q on turret But ~~shen cant use his passive on turret, not even a nerfed version~~ Graves can't have a cigar http://www.adweek.com/files/imagecache/node-blog/blogs/kermit-lipton-hed-2013.jpg

So Tristana can throw and explode bombs on turrets But ~~Yorick cant use Q on turrets, not even a weakened version~~ Graves can't have a cigar http://www.adweek.com/files/imagecache/node-blog/blogs/kermit-lipton-hed-2013.jpg

So Trundle can use his Bite on turrets But ~~rengar cant use Q on turrets anymore, not even a weakened version~~ Graves can't have a cigar http://www.adweek.com/files/imagecache/node-blog/blogs/kermit-lipton-hed-2013.jpg

So Shyvana can use her double auto attack Q on turrets But ~~Kennen cant use his passive on turrets, not even a weakened version~~ Graves can't have a cigar http://www.adweek.com/files/imagecache/node-blog/blogs/kermit-lipton-hed-2013.jpg

I think ill just sip my tea