Who didnt use their ult to save you because you raged at them? The support. Who is completely dependent on his laner to get kills? The support. Who has less than 1/1000 chance of carrying? The support.
If your support is doing poorly, they arent a bad support generally. They just are not able to do very much about anything.
Only the people that really want support are getting it. They aren't bad. They are just getting outclassed.
ShinkoMinori5 votesI am a support main, I carry my botlane. Fuck my adc, I am the one doing damage and making plays.
So no idea about supports doing bad if the adc is bad. I just ditch him/her and go carry on my own.
doiminat0r36002 votesAt the point I was being raged at, I had already built 
on 
bot lane
ShinkoMinori2 votesAt the point I was being raged at, I had already built
Why you play soraka in low elo... she is wasted. And even if you pick her why not going AP? do you really trust people at your elo to carry without you?
doiminat0r36002 votesIve gotten into a lot of good games where me and my ADC go for kills. That's when I do my best and can pull of some of these 2/0/23 games. It's when my ADC is attacking a minion when the enemy is in melee range, that's when things go south.
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doiminat0r36001 votesSo you're gonna tell me not to play a champion I like and am comfortable with? For someone I dont and am not comfortable with? Ok. good advice.
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doiminat0r36001 votes"just pick blitzcrank" isnt telling me to play him at all. I don't need hooks. I don't like them and I think they're cheesy. He gets banned almost every time the support gets a ban choice anyway. I can play soraka and braum perfectly fine and I don't want to learn blitz. He doesn't even fit my playstyle. I used to play naut but he fell out of my playstyle as well as janna.
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doiminat0r36002 votesAggressive supports don't fit my playstyle. Just because something is good doesn't mean it's good in everyone's hands. You cant take a 
main and tell him to get an S on 
. It doesn't work well and it's very unlikely to happen.
CerealBoxOfDoom2 votesWho didnt use their ult to save you because you raged at them? The support.
actually that's often midlane or jungle
Who is completely dependent on his laner to get kills? The support.
adc actually. Support does better solo sometimes
Who has less than 1/1000 chance of carrying? The support.
well unless the adc leaves then its different
If your support is doing poorly, they arent a bad support generally. They just are not able to do very much about anything.
unless they try like I did in my last Leona game
Only the people that really want support are getting it. They aren't bad. They are just getting outclassed.
not at all.
doiminat0r36001 votesFirst of all, midlane or jungle isnt always there. Raka can ult to save you from the last tick of an ignite. Braum can ult to knock up the entire enemy team to save you.
The ADC has the damage. The support has the utility. The support simply lacks damage unless you're playing a "support" (a mage you put into the bot lane). If you try to take any support that doesnt have a primary of mage in a solo lane, you are going to get torn a new one. You can try playing standard Braum/Soraka/Leona in the top lane, but you wont get very far unless your jungler camps your lane (which still isn't a good idea because of early plateauing damage).
If the adc leaves, you have a 1/12891283749658716732908746 chance of winning your lane.
I always try. I get yelled at for no wards, then get killed for warding. I set up kills for my ADC in lane, but they don't go for them and finish it off. Some immobile ADC's get locked down and stunned. What am I supposed to do about that early game?
The support lacks the damage but has the utility. Some champions, like ekko, diana, and jhin, have the utility and the damage in order to easily outclass supports.
CerealBoxOfDoom1 votesFirst of all, midlane or jungle isnt always there. Raka can ult to save you from the last tick of an ignite. Braum can ult to knock up the entire enemy team to save you.
The ADC has the damage. The support has the utility. The support simply lacks damage unless you're playing a "support" (a mage you put into the bot lane). If you try to take any support that doesnt have a primary of mage in a solo lane, you are going to get torn a new one. You can try playing standard Braum/Soraka/Leona in the top lane, but you wont get very far unless your jungler camps your lane (which still isn't a good idea because of early plateauing damage).
If the adc leaves, you have a 1/12891283749658716732908746 chance of winning your lane.
I always try. I get yelled at for no wards, then get killed for warding. I set up kills for my ADC in lane, but they don't go for them and finish it off. Some immobile ADC's get locked down and stunned. What am I supposed to do about that early game?
The support lacks the damage but has the utility. Some champions, like ekko, diana, and jhin, have the utility and the damage in order to easily outclass supports.
depends on the support
You don't have to "win lane" you just have to "not lose lane" and oftentimes its only harder because the adc takes your experience.
damage supports
they really do exist and some of them can hold lane
there's also 
who can just hold a lane damage or no damage
doiminat0r36001 votesName one support who's ultimate can't save you.
Your experience isnt "taken" by the adc. It's shared. The gold is taken, not the xp. You get the same amount of XP (split in half).
Yes, because damage supports are actually supports with compromising utility that are reliable as actual SUPPORTS. I even said "mages you put in the bot lane" don't count.
You may be able to hold lane as but it is really not a fun time. He can't push for his life. He has no AOE clear. Only single target damage.
Being able to hold lane =/= being able to fend off 2 enemy champions and a minion wave.
CerealBoxOfDoom1 votesName one support who's ultimate can't save you.
Your experience isnt "taken" by the adc. It's shared. The gold is taken, not the xp. You get the same amount of XP (split in half).
Yes, because damage supports are actually supports with compromising utility that are reliable as actual SUPPORTS. I even said "mages you put in the bot lane" don't count.
You may be able to hold lane as
name one champ who's ultimate can't save you lol
doiminat0r36001 votesExcluding champions without an actual ultimate (4 normal abilities)
Top lane: 
Jng:
Mid: 
(insert any champ without CC or healing on their ultimate)
Do I need to go on?
Damage means nothing in the form of peel unless you have enough to scare them off (meaning either you're fed or they're low) so i excluded them from the list. Let's be honest, if we went with damage saving, then every champion ever made would fit that list.
khorney1 votesummm mao will save you yoricks will in a way.
doiminat0r36001 votesYoricks just creates a copy of you or him. You might be able to out damage them but if theyre full HP and you're low.... Not a real chance Mao requires them to do spell casts, and it gains damage off of it. It still has to be reprocced and by that time, odds are a spell has hit to kill you.
khorney1 votesdont worry this gy your talking to who posted says its wrong to get ap as a supp....... look what he wrote me. becuase i get zekes and ap ss item and ardent censor and banner of command its wrong ......
CerealBoxOfDoom1 votesdont worry this gy your talking to who posted says its wrong to get ap as a supp....... look what he wrote me. becuase i get zekes and ap ss item and ardent censor and banner of command its wrong ......
on who support kayle or nami?
khorney1 votesi supp as zil get nothign but S- or above and he said your a troll becuase i go ap ......... i started using zil becuase i dont have to rely on my team so much . tank supp or janna or raka you have to . i used to go them got sick of losing when i give my adc and mid liek 9 kills a piece .... was brionze 5 now and about to s1 then gold 5 ...... coinecdence i think not. people think zil is weak or suck and i get lash back nbecause they are like your useless then i save them by my ult or stun carry them then am like if i was anyother supp you would have died. zil q does more damage then tibbers not to mention q combo has like a 5 sec cd......... 600 base plus 200% ap scaling you tell me if thats weak .....
CerealBoxOfDoom1 votesi supp as zil get nothign but S- or above and he said your a troll becuase i go ap ......... i started using zil becuase i dont have to rely on my team so much . tank supp or janna or raka you have to . i used to go them got sick of losing when i give my adc and mid liek 9 kills a piece .... was brionze 5 now and about to s1 then gold 5 ...... coinecdence i think not. people think zil is weak or suck and i get lash back nbecause they are like your useless then i save them by my ult or stun carry them then am like if i was anyother supp you would have died. zil q does more damage then tibbers not to mention q combo has like a 5 sec cd......... 600 base plus 200% ap scaling you tell me if thats weak .....
AP zil is very weak in some metas, but this isn't really that meta I think especially after they just buffed all the ap items
khorney1 voteshere is the thing as i said my q combo does mroe damage then annie ult and has less cd however yuo have to be good on the qwq. look at my match history the games we won were becuase of me save afew
CerealBoxOfDoom1 voteshere is the thing as i said my q combo does mroe damage then annie ult and has less cd however yuo have to be good on the qwq. look at my match history the games we won were becuase of me save afew
:P Annie's ult doesn't actually do that much tho.
People just say any combo that kills them is insane damage.
AP zil is fun until he gets countered by something lol.
khorney1 votesHence why I ban braum always my biggest counter followed by Morg then siver . I'm mostly concerned braum unbreable blocks all my damage and combo on account of how it works
khorney2 votesmy man if you want to carry or climb play as annie morg lux or zil as supp and go ap . i play zil was bronze 5 and amd now silver 2
doiminat0r36001 votesSupports aren't supposed to go AP. They are supposed to bridge the gap between the teams whether it be utility, burst, or CC. It doesnt matter what you play (and if you play supports full AP then god bless your team). It matters if you do your job correctly.
khorney2 votesHow narrow minded of you. Look at my match history. And so what if zeke and ap ss item both have ap.... I still carry as zil
doiminat0r36002 votesHow narrow minded are you? You can't just play a champion as a solo lane as support and call yourself a support. You're a second carry in the bot lane, not a support.
khorney2 votesyes so having my ult have lower cd and heal for more is a bad thing according to you. so getting ardent censor banner of command zekes and ss/ap item is wrong because they have ap on them ...........
doiminat0r36002 votesYou said "go AP". Going support items that have AP (Banner/ardent censor/zekes) doesn't mean going AP.
Starting 
and not building any support item is building AP. Not building items with utility but not AP.
There was some confusion in the message.
khorney1 votesi build those 2 items then get more ap items is what i mean. like get ludens death cap then what ever u want is what i do and it works. i switch banner out for zekes if im supp corki or someone i cant be close enough to to use the zekes
doiminat0r36001 votesThat's not really a good idea unless you're playing support sona or a mage in the bot lane (not advised).
The ideal support build lets you have a lot of utility and minimal damage (only as additional stats)
My ideal soraka build is
khorney2 voteszil cant use ardent censor and i get banner instead of zekes on say corki twitch ez since they cant really use it or are away from me. i get moro instead of athenes and sorc shoes instead of swifty boots( e speeds me up) what you have is liek my ideal janna build more or less.
doiminat0r36001 votesI don't like to play zil because the only heal in his kit is his ultimate which requires a death of the person it's on. Speed boost isnt THAT useful unless they're moving. It doesn't even have an AS boost. I know how zilean works.
If that's your ideal Janna build, then your "AP Build" isn't even AP. It's utility, like a support should.
khorney1 voteshere is the difference zil has very very high burst , janna and raka do not.on my janna games i rarely die. on my zil games i really do not die often enough. speeding up 99% or slowing 99% is pretty good i might add, its great for junglers on ganking.
doiminat0r36001 votesZil has a lot of damage sure, but if you have an actual ADC, you don't need damage. Janna and raka aren't meant to do damage. They're meant to supply utility that the ADC doesn't have.
TheEvilQueen1351 votesYou said "go AP". Going support items that have AP (Banner/ardent censor/zekes) doesn't mean going AP.
Starting
There was some confusion in the message.
when people usually say "go ap" on a sup they usually mean AFTER the support item/sightstone
for example on my sona i go 
and
and i either start building boots followed by ap items/mana regen items depending. ludens and unholy grail are good and sometimes torment. i like ryalis as sometimes for me as well.
sometimes extra damage in a game with cdr and mana regen are useful as long as you don't "steal" kills and cs
doiminat0r36001 votesWhen you're sona, you're supposed to go full AP. Generally, you don't go full ap on a champion like support . You build a majority tank and very little AP. Soraka you can build atleast a little tanky and it works better than being able to be hit by 2 AA by the adc and dying.
khorney1 votestbh blitz is one of the strongest champs in the game ad ap it doesnt matter he execls at both, ap blitz will 1 shot my squishy targets like nothing , his q and ult scale like 100% not to mention they have high base damge and low cd. ad blitz... his knockup is a free crit, doubles the attack damge v
Chimp Joker1 votesHonestly, there are some players who are not good at supporting (unless more practice is made). While the traditional support champions is highly advised to play as( like Sona and Janna), I like to play burst mages as a support. This way if my ADC is far behind in a game, I can always help pick up the slack.