Fiora's passive is just a better version of Shaco's.

The Taco Kat·Mar 23, 2016·6 votes·830 views

I want to make it clear to Riot that stealing a passive and improving it for another champion will only create problems in most situations.

Fiora can change the location of the mark - Shaco has to backstab with no indicator.

Fiora gets healed from hers - Shaco does not.

Fiora gets movement speed - Shaco does not.

Fiora's is true damage - Shaco gets a % bonus.

Didn't anyone at Riot notice that they just took Shaco's passive and made it better in most aspects?

I'm not QQ'ing about Fiora, as I think she should be fine after this patch, but that's just something I'd like to point out.

27 Comments

Hello I am BirdMar 23, 20167 votes

No cd on shacos's passive besides auto attack speed.

Shaco is a kit based around deception

Shaco and Fiora are 2 different champions, with different kits to help compensate their passives.

Laughing FishMar 23, 20166 votes

Very true, although Shaco getting an indicator (one that only he can see) would be appreciated.

Hello I am BirdMar 23, 20162 votes

~~Omg you go on the memes and games board you are not allowed to talk balance1!!!1!!1!eleven!!!!one1~~ I agree

Laughing FishMar 23, 20161 votes

~~Omg you go on the memes and games board you are not allowed to talk balance1!!!1!!1!eleven!!!!one1~~

You would be surprised how many people say this. Pretty much every post I make in gameplay has one dude like that lol.

The Taco KatMar 23, 20163 votes

An indicator would be very nice; that would be a QoL buff, which would be more appropriate for him than a regular buff.

Laughing FishMar 23, 20161 votes

Exactly. I think he is pretty well balanced right now, and the recent QoL buffs have been nice (red/blue/baron buffs and timer on clone), but his passive still needs some more QoL changes.

Kr1sysMar 23, 20163 votes

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Very true, although Shaco getting an indicator (one that only he can see) would be appreciated.

Shit, it took them how many years to put auras on the clones? That change will happen after his rework in season 12

ff4skMar 23, 20161 votes

No, I main shaco and want him to stay a hidden gem. He's already generating enough attention just by existing I don't want him to get picked up then nerf'd/ reworked into being unplayable

CAN WE GROUPMar 23, 20161 votes

you're right

shaco has as many strengths and as few weaknesses as fiora

ff4skMar 23, 20161 votes

are you being sarcastic? cause unlike fiora shaco isn't exactly a duelist and falls off REALLY hard late game leaving him to settle for bursting unsuspecting squishies and splitpushing since he's useless in teamfights

CAN WE GROUPApr 12, 20161 votes

really????????????

Sneakyy XDMar 23, 20162 votes

Champions are more than just their passives.

Shac NorrisMar 23, 20161 votes

Gangplank Viktor Syndra

Dunkrius2gMar 23, 20161 votes

Darius

TheMinezMar 23, 20162 votes

Huh, the Fish of the Laughing variety has posted on this multiple times.

Laughing FishMar 23, 20162 votes

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Dominick DestineMar 23, 20161 votes

Shaco has instant fade invis/flash on low CD.

Evelynn has fade time, is not true invisibility and does not give her bonus damage... let alone a free flash.

Hello I am BirdMar 23, 20161 votes

Did you uhh... Mean to choose the night whore?

ff4skMar 23, 20161 votes

I don't see what his q has to do with fiora stealing his passive and getting a better version of it. Not saying buff shaco as I think he's perfect just the way he is at the moment but maybe change fiora's passive?

Best Valor NAMar 23, 20161 votes

fiora passive is a much better version of shaco passive,

meanwhile IMO shaco q is a much better version of fiora q

they kind of balance out

edit; and hes just pointing out some similar occurrences with other champs.

AlwaysByMySideMar 23, 20161 votes

Shaco also has a free flash that stealths him.

Kr1sysMar 23, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Memeglaive Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=W5iWplN1,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2016-03-23T21:26:05.778+0000)

Shaco also has a free flash that stealths him.

And Fiora gives no shits if you see her, she catches and kills you anyways

AlwaysByMySideMar 23, 20161 votes

{quoted}

And Fiora gives no shits if you see her, she catches and kills you anyways

And? Fiora is a duelist, Shaco is an assassin.

Working as intended.

Swae7Mar 24, 20161 votes

but shaco has a low cooldown invis, a clone, meaningfull cc and can be built ap or ad..

The Taco KatMar 24, 20161 votes

I am talking completely about the passives. Riot just seemed to take Shaco's passive and make it better; I am not saying one is weaker because of it (although I could counter this argument), but I just mean that Riot decided to give her an overloaded passive that provides sustain, tank busting, movement speed, and an indicator while Shaco lacks all of these.

I'm just making it clear to Riot that they need to think about passive ideas before they release them, and they need to make sure that nothing is too similar - if not similar, then they need to make sure that one isn't statistically better in every aspect than the other.

Swae7Mar 24, 20161 votes

even though the passive is overloaded, the other parts of the kit are not as overloaded as shacos kit.

The Taco KatMar 24, 20161 votes

Fiora gets a lot more overloaded stuff than Shaco, imo. The thing Shaco has going for him in "overloaded" is the box spam.