Supports need a visibility buff

jQuery··94 votes·8,336 views

Im hoping if this ever happens: it wont come as a nerf to the ADC's... Anyhow:

http://i.imgur.com/wrQcF6y.png

If a support assist in the whole Multi Kill, their level of support and dedication to their teammate should be made more visible. There is no reason why this is non-existent, supports lay their lives down for those Multi-Kills!

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Starfish H43 votes

DOUBLE WARD! TRIPLE WARD! QUADRA WARD! ALLY PENTA WARD! VISION!

Transgressor15 votes

ALLY GOT THEIR 4TH WARD DELETED BECAUSE ONLY 3 ARE ALLOWED! ALLY GETS FLAMED FOR NOT WARDING! ALLY IS THE SOLE PROVIDER OF VISION IN A TEAM FULL OF CHALLENGER SMOURFS! VISION!

ihaveapotion6 votes

ALLY PINGS THE MAP ALLY PINGS THE WHOLE PATH OF AN INCOMING GANKSQUAD ALLY PITYPINGS THE ALLY WHO JUST DIED TO GANKSQUAD WITH QUESTIONMARKS VISION!

q O y O p3 votes

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DOUBLE WARD! TRIPLE WARD! QUADRA WARD! ALLY PENTA WARD! VISION!

This should happen if your team has 5 pinks on the map at once... visible only to your team tho. :)

Risurin15 votes

pretty sure assist already show up on the right side of the screen

Jambulija24 votes

U have noticed?!

LOL Spammer4 votes

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pretty sure assist already show up on the right side of the screen

Exactly.

Karn Bishop2 votes

Must be broken, i only see vaynes name two times.

Boulderox12 votes
MudintheWater7 votes

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https://youtu.be/jGy5ZJ8cSUE in a nutshell

Oh hey, that's exactly what playing support for Ezreal is like in silver.

CoolKnightST3 votes

I known this feeling, had to carry my ezreal hard last game.

doiminat0r36006 votes

When youre a support main and dont get credit from team mates for spoon feeding your carry kills ^^

xFrostKnightx8 votes

Support- "Watches Adc flash for the kill but only throws 1 AA and walks away."

Adc- "F I didn't have mana to finish them off"

Support- "Sigh... -throws skill shot-"

Adc- Report support for KS

Sìel7 votes

Because ADCs want to be like "ALL ME" while the support mutters obscenities under their breath

Kas1277 votes

What is with all the self-centered selfish people on this planet?

Supporing a team is like donating to a charity. People who ask for such recognition are morons.

The important fact is you helped your team, so you all can win the game. You don't pick support so others will win, you also get a win, thus, you are already rewarded.

I just don't get you, people.

T RexHasTinyArms7 votes

wait, guy says he doesn't understand why people think it's odd that one team member expects acknowledgement while another is expected to not want that..... hmmmm......

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSzrAR3-wGueE4yozUuTpLsPtK3LY9E5J3-o_RuYqe1JChLyzQH

Transgressor4 votes

Your acknowledgement is your tens and tens of assists, assists you get only by carrying your team. AS A SUPPORT.

T RexHasTinyArms3 votes

Really? I would have gone w/ stupid high KDA. I'm not really any good, but my Nunu kda is like a 6 or something on this account over 10 games, and 5 or so on Amumu with my other account where I got better before trying to play him. I know those are just tanky jungles that I play a supportish role w/, but the concept is there w/ true supports too, such as Janna who is super safe and hard to kill, plus gets a tone of assists so usually has really high kda. I mean hell, wasn't Yellowstar the highest kda of any player (I know he was one of the highest at least) in either LCS this season?

Transgressor1 votes

So, your point is? Seriously, I didn't read anything to contradict my statement.

PS. Please don't bring competitive LoL in this, pro LoL is not real LoL.

T RexHasTinyArms1 votes

I was basically agreeing that there are already benefits, but saying that you would have said it more clearly. "Oh you get assists, that's your recognition" could in theory be read as the same point as the first guy I responded to, where as "supports can get stupid high kda consistently if you play them well" points out something the community seems to circle jerk about it being important. Super low Elo scrubs always talk about KDA like it just counts kills so a lot of the time people don't like their assists as much, but many assists and few deaths results in a really high kda that carries often don't match bc carries have lower overall kill participation than supports/jungles in a lot of games.

Yellow star plays a different game, but the point was that even at the pro level supports can put up numbers highly recognized. Hell yellowstar completely rebuilt that team and they have destroyed. In a lot of ways he is like bjergsen is to tsm, the core component that is essential to the team at this point. Except yellowstar has a way better record.

Transgressor1 votes

Oooh now I get it. Let me clarify:

I didn't mean it as a KDA fact. For me, personaly, having a fuckton of assists, is the best indicator you're a god at supporting. Since supports are enables, having alot of assists means you enabled your team, one way or another, to do something good. Simply put, your reward for playing the game as support, the way you're supposed to, is assists. For other roles, ADC for example, is having a great cs count. For assasins, being good at one-shotting important targets without getting picked off.

And to extrapolate: Most people who cry about supports not getting recognition, don't acknowledge the fact that nobody else is getting recognition for doing what they're supposed to do. There's no announcer for having 400 cs, for playing the game the way it was supposed to. Why would there be for getting assists as a support, for, once again, playing the game the way it was supposed to be played.

Last but not least, I think this is a result of a vocal minority spreading false facts thus creating a bandwagon. "Nobody praises supports", well nobody praises anyone for playing the game. There's always that one person who craves attention for what they do, even if it's taken for granted. And let's not forget, those who feel the need to complain whenever they feel like they didn't get what they deserved, when "they carried our bronze ass".

T RexHasTinyArms1 votes

That makes so much more sense. I hadn't even thought about the fact that honestly kills aren't the job of a role, it's usually cs, or pushing towers, or being able to smite right, etc that really shows up in what causes wins.

Also fuck Draven , that guy does get an announcer when he is csing well.

Transgressor1 votes

In the League of Draven, Draven is the source of all attention.

"Places to go, me to see."

Enosetc6 votes

what happens if everyone on the team participates

do you want it to just show up for the supports because of the grand delusion associated with supports being the most underappreciated role

IcyPepper4 votes

what happens if everyone on the team participates

Then they all get recognized! :D

To be fair, the whole point of OP putting "supports" specifically is the support is supposed to have the least amount of kills, and therefore multikills. They would like something. But I'm not for making it support-exclusive, though, I think it would be fair for everyone (and OP's pic does show Jinx as the assistor, and I don't think Jinx is a support champion!).

However, I think it would be awesome if there was something special if the entire team participated in a pentakill specifically.

jQuery1 votes

The text was there to make the post a bit fun, the image says it all, nothing much to explain about it, so i joked around. Thats why I started with "ADC nerf".

The whole team can get on that splash if u ask me.

PS: Apparently is hard for me to write funny stuff on eng :D

brad6 votes

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If a support assist in the whole Multi Kill, their level of support and dedication to their teammate should be made more visible.

why is this only limited to "a support"? what defines a support anyway? whos to say they actively contributed in the penta kill? what if all they did was use a movespeed boost once and then walked away? how do you determine the level of help from a support who tanks a bunch of damage, but only actively damages 2 of the 5 people who are killed? shouldnt they get recognition too?

there is no reliable, automated way to determine exactly how much someone contributes to a fight, if they did the most during the fight, if the fight would have went the other way if they werent there, if they landed crucial abilities at the right times... etc

the reasons for its non-existance are very clear

jQuery2 votes

why is this only limited to "a support"?

never said it was, I imagined it will be available for anyone that gets a multi-kill-assist.

it will just be most valuable to supports, as I said they often sacrifice their champ for their team multi-kills. Some recognition and reminder will be nice.

Professor Ward1 votes

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why is this only limited to "a support"? what defines a support anyway? whos to say they actively contributed in the penta kill? what if all they did was use a movespeed boost once and then walked away? how do you determine the level of help from a support who tanks a bunch of damage, but only actively damages 2 of the 5 people who are killed? shouldnt they get recognition too?

there is no reliable, automated way to determine exactly how much someone contributes to a fight, if they did the most during the fight, if the fight would have went the other way if they werent there, if they landed crucial abilities at the right times... etc

the reasons for its non-existance are very clear

the same can be said for adcs who last hit their way into penta kills, when in fact the rest of the team did all of the actual damage. Yet the adc still gets their name flashed.

I think you should just get assist sprees like at 5/7/9 or so

Enosetc1 votes

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the same can be said for adcs who last hit their way into penta kills, when in fact the rest of the team did all of the actual damage. Yet the adc still gets their name flashed.

this rarely happens

adcs provide the most consistent sustained dps in a teamfight when played correctly unless you have a really-ahead azir on your team

Laustin Space5 votes

PENTASSIST!

Wolfeur4 votes

Make pentassist and assist streak announces!

DrCyanide13 votes

No, the announcement would be too easy too get, would clutter up the announcements (which are already too slow in some instances) and would de-value the support more than increase it's value.

Why? Because almost everyone on the team is involved in getting assists in a teamfight. That Ziggs that threw one bomb and promptly died shares the same pentassist with the support who locked down the enemy team and pealed for their ADC. Assist Streaks would be a constant irritation to those carries who can't seem to secure the kill themselves. There's no good reason to add it and several good reasons not to.

Wolfeur3 votes

Yeah...you have some good points :/

JerrBear73 votes

Penta assist with morg would be very easy. Just W in a teamfight and you'll have assists on everyone.

Saianna4 votes

Even easier with soraka ;)

Transgressor3 votes

Their level of support and dedication to their team, comes in the form of the most assists in the game. For ADCs. they come in physical damage dealt to champions. For assasins, a good K/D ratio. For tanks/bruisers, damage absorbed, assists, teamfight contribution. For junglers, objectives participation, team participation, and a good score. For casters, magical damage dealt to champions, assists, cooperation, setups etc etc.

There hasn't been a single time I haven't gotten praised for my carrying as a support, I might not have gotten honored after the game, but I got recognized one way or another. I don't know which world you live in, but in mine, I want those who earn their badges to be recognized for it. Riding one's dick for fame, is not the way to do it.

jQuery2 votes

Dude can you kindly shut the fuck up?!

See my region? As it turns out we live in the same world league wise (unless urs is imaginary), so stop trolling and get the fuck out. EUNE is not a heaven for supports, it is not the worst but is not much different from any other region.

And don't you "hasn't been a single time I haven't gotten praised for my carrying as a support" me. Because this is not a cry for attention, getting a penta-assist is almost impossible, triple assist is an everyday occurrence, but penta-assist is very rare.

And when they do happen the current KDA indicating summoners icons on the side are not making a great indication to : if someone actually made a penta-assist, in that whole pile of icons.

Lastly this is not a fucking badge. Speaking of badges where are your golden gauntlets? :P

Transgressor2 votes

Dude, would you kindly take your head out of your ass?

I'm just not a self obsessed loser, who thinks he should get a pat in the back whenever he does something HE WAS SUPPOSED TO DO IN THE FIRST PLACE. You know, I don't want to be rewarded for playing the game the way it was supposed to be played. since nobody else does. My reward is when I play my support with a score of 3/4/35, 6/6/21, 0/2/10, 10/4/55. Those are good fucking scores for a support, those are all I need it. When my score is drowning in assists, you fucking know I carry this shitty team my damn hardest.

I don't need no indicator, no remark, no emblem, no shit to tell me I'm doing good. The fuck is a penta-assist, a triple-assist? You get assists whenever one of your actions contribute to the death of an enemy. If that happens to grant someone a penta, so be it. You can get 5 assists with sunfire cape in the middle of a teamfight. You can ult with Soraka. You can use a Janna shield on Yi and watch him penta. You can use your wave as Nami, hit 5, grant your team a wombo combo, there you go, 5 assists.

What? You wanted special treatment for that? THERE IS NO THING CALLED A PENTA ASSIST. Stop revolving your dumb argument/cry for attention, around it. Why would you try to base an argument around something speculatori, imaginary, something baseless, something just plain dumb. Base it on something solid, then you can be taken seriously.

Lastly, it is a "fucking badge". Everything you can be rewarded with, can be theoreticaly considered a badge. Technicaly, it might be not. but your ego doesn't care, your ego doesn't stop to think "damn, is that a badge, an emblem or a medal?" when you're getting rewarded. You just feel happy you're getting superficialy praised for doing something you're supposed to do in the first place.

I didn't get no "godlen gauntlets", I don't need no golden gauntlets. If you think that somehow an icon makes you superior to me(or anyone else for that matter), no wonder you want to be "recognized" for playing the game, "NOTICE ME SENPAI".... lol...

jQuery1 votes

The fuck are you talking about?! What FUCKING NEED?!!! U cant be serious!

U keep trying to made out of me an attention whore for no reason. I don't see any type of KDA as reward no matter the values u mention above. I play supports because I like utility kits, they are my thing and I play any role with a champion that can give me nice utilities to play with. If i wanted some recognition for LCS big plays I would have picked assassins not supports and top laners.

I don't need the multi-assist, I don't need the multi-kill splash ether, I don't need re-call animations in ARAM, I don't need Butchers Bridge, I don't need poro sncaks, or poros for that mater, I dont need summoners icon...

All I need is a fun gameplay. Now the snails on SR and the poros on HA and penta-kill splashes and things like that add to that fun, they are like sprinkles to an ice-cream. They are all cool stuff to have in a video game.

For what reason do you ever think its bad to have assists in the splash is beyond me, u only tell me what u need and claim im an attention whore.

As for the gauntlets, there was an emoji by it... sorry you didn't understand what was that for.

Transgressor1 votes

Hahahahaha...

As for the gauntlets, there was an emoji by it... sorry you didn't understand what was that for.

So YOU say, AYY LMAOKAI.

AirSonance3 votes

So, "Pent-assist"

That sound right?

Catastrop2 votes

ENEMY PENTA ASSIST!!! XD seriously imagine this. It would be so random.

Transgressor2 votes

'"lel, random xD"

...

YOLO420SWAGSCOPE2 votes

what about penta steal announcements? or denied pentas?

pinkyblossom1 votes

continuous Penta-steals should give you a black masteries badge in the loading :D

Lugg2 votes

If you get 5 assists in a teamfight, the banner should say PENTASSIST!

Crit Critical2 votes

like how Jinx is just smiling for that assistant pic....

CoolKnightST1 votes

Well whe could change it to:

  • If all team helped with penta: Team Penta kill (if 3 or more people where involved into it)
Mathbalnase4 votes

That's just called an 'Ace'.

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