Good bye to my dear Wukong, at least for now

Just 4 Memes··10 votes·3,057 views

I have been one tricking him since Season 5. I always hated that Wukong was never mentioned in patch notes. It felt stale. Recently the buffs he received before the E nerf felt like Christmas finally came after 4 years. He was very strong although the lane phase was still pretty harsh in most games, but I always had a very strong mid game to look forward to. That is what kept me sane. However, I don't think he is very good anymore.

I just can't see myself playing in lane vs Darius , doing a full combo and dealing 20% less damage now because of the E and Q nerf, plus the nerf to runes. I am sure Darius would over heal with his Q, especially once he gets some armor. Wukong will be even more useless against tanks. His passive is still shit in lane, and any 1v1 or even 2v2 scenario. His late game won't be blowing up squishies anymore, especially not with items like item 3157 or item 3026 plus all of the shields and heals. He is basically not a good assassin at all anymore.

I am going to move on to other champions that I always liked such as Rammus whom actually got a buff, and Nautilus whom might be viable again. I used to love playing him top and support! I also recently played Amumu jungle for the first time which was fun, and he also got a buff. I guess I will be making the transition from a top main to a jungle main now, hopefully I can still continue to climb!

EDIT time to change my ign! lol

19 Comments

DuskDaUmbreon10 votes

As much as I don't like seeing champions gutted...

I honestly have to say thank fucking god. I was sick and tired of being bursted with 0 counterplay simply because I was squishy and wasn't scripting. There was just nothing I could physically do against a EQR from stealth.

Just 4 Memes2 votes

I can understand that. Wukong's early game is key though. He is very punishable early and in most 1v1 situations if he cant delete you right away. Now he still has those weaknesses plus he deletes a lot less, so there is a lot more to worry about now when playing him. Overall not a good pick now I think. You won't be seeing much of Wukong anymore until they actually update his kit!

DuskDaUmbreon4 votes

I'm pretty sure we all think Wukong needs a rework, and pretty badly.

His model is fine, but his entire kit needs an overhaul, badly.

RekSai CoffeeCo1 votes

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I'm pretty sure we all think Wukong needs a rework, and pretty badly.

His model is fine, but his entire kit needs an overhaul, badly.

His kit is perfectly fine, he got hit with rune changes, item changes and unneeded nerfs to E and Q due to pro play most likely. He does need a passive tho if that is what you were referring to about overhaul for kit.

DuskDaUmbreon1 votes

Okay, except his kit isn't fine.

There is nothing you can do against it as his opponent, except walk away from his W, which is the least relevant part of his damage.

You can't dodge his Q, you can't dodge his E, you can't reasonably dodge his R, and he runs at you in stealth.

His entire kit needs more interactivity for his opponents - some way to dodge it or fight against it. A new passive would be good for him as well, I suppose, but having a bland passive simply just isn't the only issue he has with his kit.

Blue Moon Wolf1 votes

He does, but Riot is too busy on more popular champs to give him the time of day... I think Rengar has now been reworked 3-4 times between now and when Riot first showed any kind of interest in updating Wukong.

Luigi Tortellini4 votes

Bro he was straight up absurd and needed to be nerfed. I have an 80% wr in ranked with him the season and I legit never played him before or after. I won pretty much every game I played as him and lost every game against him. His winrate shows he's still decent, just no longer the best champion in the game.

That said I feel your pain. I was a Rengar main until Riot destroyed him. Riot went halfway by reverting his Q but his ult is still a joke, a stealth ability that reveals you and says who you're going to jump on. Completely ruined the feeling of sneaking up on someone and murdering them. He's still good but it's because he has retarded burst healing, not because he's a fun champion.

SwiftKitten883 votes

... MonkeyKing isnt gutted

i mean u lost 10% ad per level on one ability.. once u bring it to lvl 2 u have the same bonus ad on it as u did before 8.6

which btw before 8.6 was 10% at EVERY LEVEL.. but im such as somone who mains wu u know that right?

and u lost 20 ad per level

while the 8.6 buff also gave u .8 her ad per lvl gain

its a nerf compartes to the last 3 months where he has been broken as fuck yea.. but to say he is "gutted" is bullshit..

i dont even see him dropping below 48% winrate..

maybe not even down to 50%

if u havent even been below 45% dont then PRETEND to know what GUTTED feels like.

i had to deal with 38% for 1 month 42% for 3 months and sub 45% for 6 months

dont come pretending this nerf "guts him"

get real.. it barely even undoes the buffs he got in 8.6

Sire Hippington2 votes

The Q isn't the big issue, it's just the last drop. Yes, Q still is better than befor 8.6, but he also lost alot damage from both duskblade and electrocute, and most off all the E nerf really hurt is early laneing massively and the strong Q was the only redeeming factor for him.

As for his mid-late burst, he lost 20 on Q, 40 on E, 120 on duskblade and 40+0.1 on electrocute to gain a 0.3 increase on Q The net change is loosing 220 flat damage and gaining 0.2 bonus-AD, so he'd need 1100 bonus AD to have the same burst he had befor 8.6 with duskblade and Electrocute.

So a much worse laneing and a worse lategame than befor 8.6 while he wasn't ever considered a problem befor 8.6...

Warlord Rhinark3 votes

Again, Riot gutting a champion when it isn't even the champion's fault.

It's the items.

item 3147 item 3095 when are we going to do something about this?

dunder kill2 votes

Literally systematically went through nerfed his itemiazation, nerfed all his runes, then double nerfed him as well. RIP monkey. After this patch you'll be back to 1% playrate with trash winrate

Douglas Funnie2 votes

Lmao, do you really think these small changes will stop Wu from destroying you? He's still going to do a shit ton of damage.

FireDrizzle4 votes

If he can avoid inting lane when electrocute is nerfed on top of the direct nerf. Wu can't farm safely, he has no sustain and he is managated. Which is too many weaknesses too compete vs the newer champs, especially if he is doing no damage in lane.

Why riot are nerfing his base damages when its the insane scaling that made him strong I don't know. He will be the most feast or famine champ in the game.

woodvsmurph2 votes

How to salvage wukong:

  1. revert incoming q nerf
  2. improve waveclear either through updated ability/abilities or through new itemization

Personally, I feel like wukong should be getting early tiamat much like talon recently started doing to improve his ability to clear the wave and roam/make plays. The amount of lethality/armor pen he typically builds is overkill for squishies (at least before q nerf) and not good enough to let him duel someone like a renekton after a certain point anyways. Adding some tiamat into eventual lifesteal and perhaps a bit more durability would change the way he plays and probably have let him avoid the recent nerfs too. In exchange for SLIGHTLY less burst, he could have much more durability and sustained damage just by adjusting his build somewhat. And the slight loss of lethality/armor pen would be made up for by the sustain, dps, and higher ad he would have from items. It's not like lethality wukong melts malphite anyways.... and the slight drop in armor pen still leaves him with plenty vs squishies to get the job done regardless.

painkills2 votes

Agreed. They killed him. If they wanted him to be a bruiser they shoulda lowered ratios, increased base, and lowered cooldown on W.

Frshmlk Spotify1 votes

i always thought wukong was so strong but i don't play him but i play aatrox and i think the rework made him sooooooo weak but almost everyone says he's soooo op

hOrnn1 votes

i too hate the new aatrox vs the old aatrox.

JoeAnarchy1 votes

low elo had been playing tons of wukong support, and it's sooo oppressive.. i'm surprised i don't see it more on my higher elo alts..

SwiftKitten881 votes

ok first off MonkeyKing is not getting gutted by nerfs targeting him as a champion... he still is in a net gain over 8.6 past lvl 2 on said ability

the other nerfs to electrocute effect burst damage as a whole.. which isnt what wu should be doing in the first place..

if u want to be baised about the nerfs directed directly at your champion fine... your crazy for thinking he didnt need them. but i can at LEAST understand a love for a champion.. seriously though 53-54% on all elo was HOTFIX worthy.. stop acting so surprised

but if your trying to be baised as if the changes to electrocute are aim at him... just stop..

i MAIN an assassin... Nidalee

i am getting hit byt TWO nerfs in the next patch.. and i WELCOME BOTH!!

because I'm not stupid enough to think they they arn't needed.

i cant even count how many times i have gotten a kill on someone due to electrocute and i thought...

"wow i cant believe that killed them... i misplayed that so hard"

and beyond champions the nerf to celerity is going to be VERY impactful on my first clear. as using that rune with my passive and water-walking is the only way i even have enough ap to clear.

and STILL i know these changes are needed for the game...

if u want to be baised about the NEEDED nerfs to MonkeyKing then fine... at least you do so because of your love of the champsion..

but if u start defending damage creep like electrocute. u have ZERO sympathy from me.

I USE ELETROCUTE.. i USE CELERITY, i use scorch, i use aery cheap shot and sudden impact

ALL of my champions are getting hit with nerfs due to these rune changes.. and u know what?

THIS IS THE BEST PATCH I HAVE SEEN IN AGES.

because it is taking a step at FINALLY ADDRESSING damage creep.. which is the source or main contributing factor to EVERY issue league has.

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