Please adress Cait and her overtuned state. For months , she has maxing her traps , shoving the lane up my ass , putting 5 traps under my own tower and calling it a day. Seriously , I am suprised that riot let this last for so long , and I fear that if she does not receive changes now, she will be Sejuanied in the future
THE RlVER KlNG20 votesCrit ADCS don't need any buffs lethality ADCS need more nerfs
Ashe Twitch jinx Vayne etc are fine
This will only make power creep worse
Big Lincoln2 votesman I can't wait for twitch to ruin the game for the 400th when crit gets buffed
rafflesz4 votes[{quoted}](name=THE RlVER KlNG,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VzlREV8i,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-03-02T13:40:42.005+0000)
Crit ADCS don't need any buffs lethality ADCS need more nerfs
Ashe Twitch jinx Vayne etc are fine
This will only make power creep worse
I'm convinced pretty soon, maybe within the next two champ releases, we are gonna get someone with a literally one shot. They'll be some super easy to meet conditional but it will be a OHKO and riot will be like 'counterplay yo'
BIG DADDY BARD5 votesRiot be like "Q: Activate to mark an enemy champion 900 units nearby. Attacking them 3 times within the next 15 seconds will make your third auto deal 100% max health true damage. 10 second cooldown"
NastyMcOutplay7 votesthis is unfortunate, we should be nerfing the others not buffing them
Legacy Hydralpha4 votesIf everyone's overpowered, no one's overpowered.
AMYS GRAVE2 votesIf everyone is overpowered, then we've irreparably power creeped the game into an unplayable state.
GULAG 4 U3 votesExcept it works for Dota, a game very similar to league.
AMYS GRAVE4 votesThe games are similar but the balancing philosophies are very, very different.
Kukan Seishin6 votes
"CRIT BUFFS!?!"
GULAG 4 U4 votesIf cait shoves traps at least she opens herself up to GANKS lol
notice me Sin pi15 votesthat doesnt rly matter if the ally jungler is retrded unskilled
GULAG 4 U3 votesWell it is a team game [zombie-brand-clap]
AMYS GRAVE1 votesWell you can't cross her trap line to help the gank without dying so you jungler better be able to 1v2.
Xonra1 votesCan confirm. Jungler pings on the way. Runs down lane for some reason right into a trap, gets hit by Cait. Keeps chasing, runs into a trap she just placed, gets hit again by Cait. Flashes right into her net...hey guess what? Then they proceed to turn and run, get cc'd by the enemy support, Cait ulted, and I die a little inside and want to just log out.
Depárt1 votesAt which point you are using a low skill player as a reason to nerf a champion, Caitlyn isn't that oppressive if you know what you're doing.
Nymzo1 votesOh look at that, Thresh threw his latern at Caitlyn
Oh look at that, she got away... again.
Better call for a 4 man gank if your mid is not behind or a potato.
GULAG 4 U1 votesYes, because an aggressive support would stand in the very back of the lane so he can't get souls nor do aggressive dives.
Nymzo1 votesThat's call checking the minimap. If you see the jungler in another lane that yea you can go agressive.
But if he's MIA, you should be cautious.
That's just common sense really.
GULAG 4 U1 votesWell you don't get to play with thresh all the time, do you?
Nymzo1 votesTrue but my argument was that most supports can do something about it
GULAG 4 U1 votesYou only gave one example, which was thresh.
Sora? Not so much. Sona? Neither. Janna? Well, how the fuck do you deal with 2 knockback without playing yasuo in a huge ass minion wave? Brand or zyra? Oh, they 2v3 and come out with a triple kill. Lol
Sexy Jack Rabbit3 votesI don't think Caitlyn is over-tuned. She's just like the Ahri of Marksman is all.
Spârky3 votesI really agree with this i understand why people hate cait but ive never really had a massive issue with her. Ive always thought if i played ezreal or jhin into her it became a support matchup which person had the better support.
skyskee0082 votesEzreal into cait is actually a really bad matchup lol. She out-clears you and shoves you under tower, and then you can't use your Q for poke as minions block it, and she gets to sit and free hit your tower because if you auto her she'll auto you twice AND you'll take minion aggro. If you play ezreal into her you better pray to god that she doesn't have a karma or zyra support.
Jhin is better into her but that's just because he has good waveclear and good kill pressure.
Spârky1 votesI guess i disagree with this because i have a really high farm rate for my level and i dont mind getting shoved in especially since ezreal farms under tower. You dont play ezreal to win lane you play to survive and have a nice power spike mid game.
skyskee0081 votesEzreal can definitely win lane (even against Cait) if played correctly. However you NEVER want to be shoved into your tower as ezreal. I know you've probably heard "focus on farming" but think about this: if you only focus on farming and give the other laner no pressure - they will also just farm it up. As well as getting damage on your tower and having COMPLETE control of the lane (they back when they please, they invade your JG as they please, they roam as they please).
Its not that big in maybe lower level play but being shoved in and just sitting there waiting for last hits is never a good tactic (even if you reach the juicy 10 cs/min - its just not worth it, thats why you will see pros occasionally give up last hits for lane dominance - because being able to ZONE people off last-hits and XP later on is much more worthwhile than last-hits right now)
Also remember - mid/late game rotations to make sure minions aren't being dissolved by other minions or towers is HOW you get a good CS score - not just last hitting. You don't get those high CS counts just cause you can last hit better, its because you can make the proper rotations to get all the farm on the map and still be in a position to pressure objectives.
The Great Divide1 votesI find Sivir much better. Yeah, the first few levels are going to be rough due to Sivir's range. But Cait's traps essentially provide the mana for you to waveclear that wave all day. And a pushed in Cait is not very effective. I usually will pick Sivir into Caitlyn every time (plus, not even Caitlyn and her little net can stop the onslaught of an entire sped up team steamrolling her)
Fisher No Chains3 votesThe difference is that Ahri isn't and will never be as oppressive as Cait.
Does Ahri siege you under your own turret with 0 risks involved? No. Does Ahri nuke you from a screen away if you accidentally step on a trap? No.
Your comparison makes no sense at all imo. Ahri is good in SoloQ for a lot of reasons (safety, relatively easy to master, extremely good pickups), whereas Cait is just always good because she offers way too many things, especially since games are shorter and her early game is disgusting.
Sexy Jack Rabbit1 votesHer early game really isn't that bad. Her kit is solid, but it's not broken or over-tuned. Similar to Ahri they also both have deceptively high skill-caps and they're both great in Solo-queue for the exact same reason. High Safety, Easy to pick-up and good match-ups. Caitlyn is no worse then Jhin in any regard tbh, as I'd rather be poked down by a Cait then a Jhin. Caitlyn doesn't build EoN for starters.
Thefrostyviking3 votesIn the post they state that they are looking to change how crit and armor pen work as they roll with the tank reworks, they also state that they're looking at others like Yasuo and tryndamere.
That's not a direct buff, it can be pretty much anything if its a rework, which for crit itself happens to be needed.
Armor pen sytem getting reworked would be a nice bonus but the crit one is long overdue.
So take heart, you've gotten spooked for no reason.
nice table3 voteslets buff crit adcs so shutting down the enemy adc becomes even more important :^) ADC in 2017 LUL
dominusx2 votesgood sejuani her. AATROX her
blueberrypancake1 votesYou haven't faced an aatrox for a while then
AMYS GRAVE1 votesShe's been way too strong for way too long for anything being done to her to be compared to how quickly sej was removed.
Ok sure but why1 votesi didn't see the crit buff thing, can you link it
Angelofchaos16x1 votesAngelofchaos16x1 votesHere "As per the post a couple of weeks ago ([link] we think Utility Marksmen, AD Caster Marksmen and lane bully marksmen are in reasonable spots generally (some exceptions). Crit marksmen definitely still need some work though. For crit marksmen the bulk of that work's going to be in mid-season when we'll likely make some changes to crit and/or armor pen functionality (see testing out different approaches, so hopeful on that stuff, but it's not guaranteed yet, might end up doing something else). We had some small tweaks that will affect crit marksmen, and marksmen in general in 7.4 (Warlord's Nerf, Fervor Buff, Last Whisper situational buff) too. Apologies for the disconnect between opening patch notes context (talk of big changes) and what was actually in the patch. That was the result of a misunderstanding between people on what we'd be tackling in 7.4 versus what we were targeting for mid-season. "
NekoniClaws1 votesFinally witnessed that tactic at its finest today.
Cait brings Zyra, (auto-push, and a hard to gank lane). Every time my adc is partially obscured by his own tower > Cait drops the traps under his feet, obscured by the tower.
It didn't work once, but my god was it a toxic experience.
Hige1 votescrit isn't inherently getting a buff, they are reworking it to a have a more clear window of power and less RNG possibly, also currently I think crit bonus damage is added after resist calculations... so if you regularly hit 100 and the enemy has 50 armor but you crit, you end up doing 150 as opposed to reducing the crit bonus damage as well :S
So the change could be that armor will affect crit bonus damage as well
Gear5Luffy1 votesyes please while they are at it check hecarim maybe he needs less horsepower in his kit
Depárt1 votesIf a Caitlyn maxes traps early she loses a massive amount of shoving power and trading potential, take advantage of it and don't let her set up traps.
LYRKL1 votesYeah caitlyn is already a really really really annoying %%%% bully in the lane and pretty much always one of the top adc's with her mobility, 2 form's of cc and highest range as well as really good damage and kill secure . she has basically everything do better than you in lane and even more.
And is really gank immune with the slow being in her mobillity ability along with smart trap placements.
