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So, a lot of uproar over Zed, I know how to fix him...

SolusInCadere·8/20/2015, 10:13:42 PM·3 votes·628 views

a while ago, back the last time was rearing his ugly mask, I proposed a single change that would instantly balance him...

you see, the problem with is not the mobility, not the burst, its the poke and wave-clear. He is manaless, which means if he can shove lane, he will, and force mages to go back because they ran out of mana. So he needs to lose his wave clear. Well, what do you know, he has two high damage AOE abilities, one of which is the ability he maxes first. That is stupid in a role designed to be single target and melee-ish range.

So, how do we fix him? Have his Q be a single target skill shot. Maybe buff the damage or the energy cost or something is needed.

What does this do: well, he keeps his wave clear from his E, but you don't max that early on. Looking at his poke, he still has some, his Q is still poke and a W+Q combo can increase the chances of landing one or both, at the cost of his mobility. his W+E combo can alos poke, agian at the cost of his mobility.

You see, it is my belief that any burst champion, be it mage or assassin, needs strong and weak points durring the laning pahse where they can be punished. Like Blitzcrank if he misses a hook, his pimary engage tool is down, harass him for it! But Zed does not have these weak points at this moment, he only needs his Q to poke and clear waves, keeping all of his other abilities ready for an all in or escape. His Q also has a short-ish cooldown, meaning his harass is constant (energy, not mana), and his Q can be back up for an all-in quickly. So forcing him to expend his mobility for easier harass seems like a fair trade off.

TL;DR I just don't want his poke and his waveclear on the same ability, especially when that ability also has a decently low cooldown and non-existent cost

Edit: Let me try to be clear, Zed has seen little talk over the Tank meta, due to their being beefy champions constantly protecting the carries, but when that goes away, I assure you people will start complaining about assassins again, and a manaless assassin with wave clear will be sure to draw attention.

20 Comments

SwapShadows8/20/2015, 10:25:50 PM6 votes

If you consider bronze/silvers complaining like they usually do an "uproar" then by all means go ahead.

Sasogwa8/25/2015, 11:20:20 PM3 votes

If you wanna nerf his waveclear, give his spells reduced damage against minions. Done.

-Though I actually don't think he needs nerfs right now-

UltraSceptile8/20/2015, 11:01:41 PM2 votes

I honestly have zero idea whether this guy is retarded as fuck, or if he's trolling. I'm not even intentionally trying to insult him im genuinely curious as to which one he is.

Jesus christ i think i lost 80 IQ points reading this. Stage 54 of cancer didn't exist until i read this.

stealthfox948/21/2015, 1:03:36 AM2 votes

Zed doesn't need nerfs if anything he's still slightly underpowered. Although he's definitely stronger in 5.16. People on here have a select list of champions to qq about. Zed Nidalee Riven Fizz Yasuo There will always be QQ threads about these champions.

UltraSceptile8/25/2015, 9:53:08 PM2 votes

Changing Zed's Q to be a single target spell would make him have ZERO waveclear because his E does almost no damage until later levels. If you were to make his Q single target, you would have to MASSIVELY buff the damage and make it point and click. Right now Zed stands as assassin with very mediocre waveclear unless he blows his escape, which also is needed to burst or reposition or run. He's perfectly fine as is and is actually on the weak side despite the tank meta dying. Your idea is completely ridiculous and would completely fuck over zed and that's why people are angry as hell, doesn't make it any better you're low elo and therefore know very little about the game.

Arsames8/20/2015, 10:55:44 PM2 votes

garbage suggestions by garbage elo players, again, time to downvote, again.

Calabok8/25/2015, 11:19:30 PM1 votes

I agree. Remove a shadow

DarthSpectrum8/25/2015, 11:14:39 PM1 votes

You do realize that most assassins have wave clear right? ie. Talon Fizz Diana Ekko

The problem with Zed is his long range poke, and you want to buff that. Unlike Talon, Fizz, or Diana, Zed does not have to put himself in the enemy range to do meaningful damage, and even when he does get too close, he can easily get out.

However, Zed's early game reliability is his compensation for the amount of counter play against him late game. Zed can't 100-0 an enemy carry like Talon or Rengar in a fraction of a second; furthermore, item 3157 and item 3140 negates half of Zed's combo.

I carried myself with Zed a lot in bronze and low silver, but as I climbed to gold, I started winning less and less with him. I don't play him at all in ranked anymore. In terms of assassins, Talon and Ekko are much more reliable and useful for me in a team fight.

As you climb higher, you will find that more and more players have the mechanics to survive against Zed in lane. Somewhere around mid Silver, people actually start playing defensively and focus on CS rather than trying to fight Zed and put themselves behind.

Zed's wave clear is already mediocre, people only emphasized his wave clear because Zed almost always built item 3142 to take down towers just as quickly. Zed's wave clear pales in comparison of other assassin's such as Ahri 's or MasterYi 's.

Zed is only a problem at Silver ELO and below. Of course, some high rank players specializes in Zed and can play him really well, but that holds true for every champion. Zed isn't that difficult to beat in lane even as a mage. Viktor and Annie for example can easily win lane against Zed.

Your recommendation will actually be a buff to Zed. If his Q becomes more spammable or got more damage, his poke will be even more annoying and he will do even more damage in one combo since he can Q point blank after he ults.

kJs8/27/2015, 6:00:51 PM1 votes

You make it seem like he's some sort of Rengar. Energy costs are actually quite debilitating for Zed in long drawn out team fights, he has to constantly back away because he can run out of Energy really quickly with spamming. Of course he is designed to be an Assassin as to not need to stay in prolonged heated teamfights but my point still stands. His waveclear is strong but it also leaves him on CD, for ganks etc.

I wouldn't propose to nerf him because he's in a pretty shitty spot right now. He has a lot of counters to his combo. Zhonya's, QSS and general CC. All of the squishies can negate his ultimate damage completely with QSS, all the mages can dodge his full combo with Zhonya's active, wasting him energy and vulnerable to retaliation.