Not gonna lie...I love the new Ryze stuff BUT

JustSir·Jul 5, 2016·3 votes·842 views

New Ryze is hella fun...but kinda wish they would stop fucking with him. He was pretty damn fine the way he was...had a high skill floor and a non existent skill ceiling. Very weak early game to balance out his obsurd late game. If you play around him you could shut him down, but come off you guard for 1 second and you get evaporated...besides his new ult+zhonyas is actually obsurd

Thoughts?

I should specify. Down votes are not thoughts or argument...a down vote without a thought or argument is basically meaningless

Edit 1: so many down votes yet so few comets and discussions... I forgot why I stopped posting here, now I remember! Edit 2: ok guys, I'm don't. Downvoting without commenting is like saying "I don't agree with you but I can't seem to come up with an argument to rebfute you, but I'm going to say it anyway"...awesome guys...quality stuff right there

12 Comments

MarshbouyJul 5, 20162 votes

no. no. and no.

He needed to be changed. That "non existant skill ceiling" led to shit like this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ckIwozedAY

JustSirJul 5, 20162 votes

That was a 5.10 video. He could no longer permanent bind unless you hit your spells PERFECTLY...most bronze, silver, even gold players (myself included) rarely did it perfectly every time

Also you can't just buy ryze and do that to people. It takes alot of practice...ALOT of practice to nail the combo because you have to do it so fast

MarshbouyJul 6, 20161 votes

so. Just because he takes skill doesn't mean he is allowed to be insanely unbalanced.

JustSirJul 6, 20161 votes

Not at all. There are 3 things that break the permastun stun. Zhonyas for ap champs, qss for adc's, and cleanse for midlaners...breaks the combo and ryze has to walk away. Shut him down so he has to get rod later than 15 min and he is basically just a tank at that point. He is a all or nothing champ...just like vayne...either you let them get the farm and be beasts late game, or you shut them down and they are useless

Plus he is pretty easy to counter. Mid lane: Cass, orianna, viktor ect.. Top lane: VLAD, swain, maokai ect...

MarshbouyJul 6, 20161 votes

i can see you refuse to see that he is a problem champion that needs fixes. Thats fine, you are still wrong, but ok. Im not wasting my time trying to convince you.

JustSirJul 6, 20161 votes

The only arguments you put forward are "he was busted" and sited an video from patch 5.10 (which since then Ryze has been nerfed several times)

I refuted you arguments, if you can call them that, and you have not provided 1 point other than out dated video which is irrelivant at this point in time. Not sure how you "proved" he's problem champ when I have listed SEVERAL relevant and easy to acquire answers for him. Might want to learn how to form an argument and refute points with UP TO DATE information and evidence

MarshbouyJul 6, 20162 votes

ooorrrrrrrrr. you could attach a brain, go do the research yourself, and figure it out. I don't want to debate another idiot on the boards over champion balance because not once, not fucking once have i ever changed someones view. If you want me to try and set up serious arguments. I will.

He can wait out zhonyas and do it again later. Low CD on his ult, especially with the passive, this goes for all of them.

Shutting him down is a lot harder than you think. I've played a lot of ryze (mastery 6) and ive fed, gotten 2 items, and then walked back into a lane and one shot someone.

His early game is not bad in the slightest.

He is not all or nothing. He does not require the same amount of snowball as a lot of champions.

I fail to see how any of those would counter him. He would out damage vlad in a fight, maokai would get kited, swain would get bursted, dodge cass's Qs and shes nothing, ori and viktor can sort of zone him, more so orianna but it would not shut down his late game completely.

I've played a lot of ryze. People hate playing against a good ryze, i hate playing against a good ryze. He does not feel fair in the slightest, because he isn't. He needs this rework. The only reason why his winrate is so low is becasue they tanked his numbers and everything that made him good.

I cannot wait for this rework. I want my favorite champion to stop being this much of an issue.

JustSirJul 6, 20161 votes

Omg finally! Jesus! Those are all valid points! And I agree with you that because you have champion mastery 6 on him, and know exactly how to use him well, that he is busted as fuck...but shouldn't that be a reward for putting that much effort into learning a champion? Anyone with half a brain can pick...I don't know...fiora and go dancing in top lane and carry a game pretty easily...but she kinda...doesn't get any better the more you play her. You get better at riposte timings and such but you can't really do much else with her. That's kinda why I like ryze now. If you put the time and effort into learning him you get to evaporate someone. But you can't just pay 450ip, unlock ryze, and do that.

I agree with your points and that he busted. BUT only on people who know how to play him...surely you can agree to that point! The casual player isn't going to play ryze because they can't use him.

BeatzBoyFTWJul 6, 20162 votes

Ryze is somewhat different compared to other champs. When a Fiora is mastered by a veteran player, he would still need the effort to use her in most team compo. Ryze is typically unstoppable in the hands of a veteran player especially due to his massive AoE combo with his passive+ult.

So technically speaking, Ryze is not an everyday "you earn rewards for mastering him" type of champion like other champions would. I used to main current Ryze before, and he's actually toxic. For all I know, I'm glad Riot is removing his ult which explains the tons of problems Ryze had before.

MarshbouyJul 6, 20161 votes

its really not that hard to play ryze. Throw on quick cast, spam all your spells, win.

Just because a champion is hard does not mean they are allowed to be busted. It just means they have more tools available to them to do things. Ryze was busted.

RookPusherJul 5, 20162 votes

I don't know, man. I thought he was kind of boring before. Frankly I wish they'd start changing Champs that have liw-interactive skills more often.

Despite the boredom, his perma-stun was BS.

JustSirJul 5, 20161 votes

He could only consistently permanent stun after he leveled up his ult a 2nd time unless they built strait cdr which is very inneficient. Also, the permastun combo requires these spells in this order EVERY TIME q w q e q w...I've been playing ryze for a year now and I only get that combo to land once or twice a week. Plus cleanse, qss, zhonyas all fuck the combo up and then ryze has to run away. I will give you the boring part, but I kind of thought tryING to master the combo was pretty exciting

But I appreciate you commenting instead of just downvoting...this is what I want...and exchange of points and thoughts :)