Idea: "If single champion reaches 50+% ban rate he/she/it is disabled for the rest of current patch"

Sherogarth··24 votes·1,977 views

Let me get straight to the point: 50+% ban rate screams: "50+% of player base dont want said champ in game". This means that said champ is unbalanced, unfun to play against, unhealthly for game or have no weaknes and can be used to counter 50+% of strategies.

So here is the idea: "If any (even flashy Lee) single champion reaches 50+% ban rate he/she/it is disabled for the rest of current patch"

Disabled champ is then looked at by Riot balance team and can be enabled next patch if they made some changes to it (not necessary nerfs). I think there should be cap like only 3 champs per patch can be disabled.

Also if im right on LCS they dont play on current patch but on the one before it, so champions that were disabled for, lets say, patch 5.7 are disabled on LCS if they play on patch 5.7. Change like this will bring some fresh air to this boring stage.

Disabling those champs free players form wasting their bans for them over and over and over again. Bans should be part of team's strategy not a tool to remove unhealthy picks.

With every new patch there is ban rate reset and 1 week (maybe less) (thanks DrCyanide for pointing this out) to check if there are any new subjects for balance team.

So if u are Rambo u can play during this 1 week with everything enabled.

39 Comments

Ale non è male10 votes

Win rate without looking at pick and ban rate does not mean anything.

Sherogarth4 votes

its not win rate... its **ban **rate

Ale non è male1 votes

Oh sorry, I misread

Deep Terror Nami2 votes

If picks and bans weren't highly influenced by "I saw that in LCS", then this would be worth considering.

Sherogarth1 votes

If Riot play this one good those "community bans" can really bring fresh air to LCS.

BakedLotion2 votes

Agreed. Let's all ban Lee Sin because we're sick of him. While we're at it, let's do that to Zed also, oh wait

Sherogarth1 votes

Well im sure that when top picks are finally "balanced" system like this can be abused.

E.g. Community starts "Project U.R.G.O.T." - ban urgot every game so he reaches 50+% ban rate and Rito is forced to look at him... For me something like this looks more like big + than - .

Rokr2 votes

That would bea great idea, BUT, the only problem I see here is:

Imagine they lock Lee-Sin, have a look at it, release him in a minor patch, "Oh damn, he's even more OP"

He gets locked again and it keeps doing the same over and over again... Meanwhile those people are not working on other projets/champions.

So if Riot has the team for it, why not, but I'm unsure on how to could be able to manage working around the top 3 bans in one single patch, knowing there's tons of contents they,re supposedly working on. To me, it's like trying to solve a puzzle with a missing component.

But yeah, all in all, theorically, it's a really great idea.

Sherogarth1 votes

Im sure balance team and champion release team are two diffrent teams.

Dingding1232 votes

Wait what about normals?

That's kinda lame to disable the champ from being played period.

Sherogarth2 votes

disabled champs are palyable at normals, aram, dominion... hell Rito should even put them to free rotation for as much feedback as possible.

Dingding1231 votes

good

Trylobyte2 votes

Right now that would mean: RekSai (63%) Azir (61%) Zed (51%) would be banned for good.

But it wouldn't be long before JarvanIV (41%) Irelia (36%) Gnar (36%) Leblanc (34%) would be gone too.

After that, Lissandra (30%) Kassadin (27%) Katarina (23%) would be next.

If you have an issue with Lee Sin, you can add Fizz Cassiopeia Janna Riven Akali Ahri Vi Fiddlesticks Nidalee Rengar Kalista Morgana since they would all be gone before Lee.

Sherogarth2 votes

So they are already nice packed for nerfhammering sessions :D

balbraaksel2 votes

This is actually a pretty decent idea.

Leti the Yeti1 votes

well, thats alot of champions that will become even more forgetten than urgot and yorick...

Dateline NBC2 votes

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Leti the Yeti2 votes

twas a joke about how its gonna take so long for them to be fixed that they will be disabled for approximately forever

N3mO061 votes

In the next patch we already known that Azir will be nerfed to be overpower, so every victory, every Lp earned with that champ would not be right. So let's disable overpower recognized also buy Riot. I would add to disable for a week or two also new Champs, for the fact that, despite the PBE, each new champ is nerfed in less then a month

Solidair31 votes

win rate holds no real meaning, though it CAN be a symptom of something wrong, it isn't always the case.

For instance, though Amumu always has a crazy winrate, I don't really consider him OP and wouldn't ban him.

The only one I'd disable this patch is Ahri. Her compensation for the DFG removal seems to have been a biiiiit too much.

HisokasMagicAura1 votes

and then before you know it, there's no champ left to play.

junglerboy161 votes

This is a bad idea for the simple reason that taking them out of the meta means that instead of Riot being able to say "WOW that guy is OP we should tone him down a bit." they're stuck being like "we don't really know how to fix this since we disabled him and now somebody else has a 50% ban rate too."

Sherogarth1 votes

only 3 champs can be disabled at one time, Riot want to disable another then they need to free one slot for him/her/it

Drunk Rummate1 votes

do you really want to get stuck playing outdated champions like malzahar, yorick, and brand on a regular basis?

Sherogarth7 votes

I prefer "outdated" champs than unbalanced if you ask me :D. Also there is a cap - max 3 champs disabled.

Drunk Rummate5 votes

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I prefer "outdated" champs than unbalanced if you as me :D. Also there is a cap - max 3 champs disabled.

I'd rather deal with bad balance as long as I'm having fun. I have a lot more fun playing as/against Azir than I've ever had with Katarina. Gnar is infinitely more fun to play as, and against than Shyvana. Their kits may be a little on the strong side right now, but I'd rather deal with that tbh.

Subject 53 votes

A champion that is old is not always an outdated champion, what about Lulu? Or Ziggs, Ezreal, jarvan? Some champs that are old just have bad philosophy of creation, like yorick which is cancer to play against and no rewards after lane. His only being is to ruin the game for the top laner, and be useless later on.

Chessburger3 votes

"Outdated" champions usually have more established weaknesses their newer counterparts lack. So it's a challenge playing them and actually depends on skill.

ModKnightsKemplar1 votes

I think this is extremely dangerous. While I like that Riot values input from the community, it isn't always good. They have more data and expertise, and while they are sometimes wrong, I don't trust the community to do better.

Sherogarth1 votes

Indeed its extremely dangerous. But if Riot dont want to do some drastic changes maybe we, community, need to force them.

ModKnightsKemplar1 votes

... anonymous people on internet forums don't force companies that make $600 million a year to do anything.

This isn't some indie game. Riot consider themselves to be professionals, and they won't be bullied by their consumers. If they DID operate that way, few of us would have started playing, because they wouldn't have been half as successful.

Subject 51 votes

This is dangerous but something needs to be done about the 20 champ champion pool that exist in LoL. I mean, as much as i enjoy seeing the same crap over and over again, i think diversity should be a thing.

DrCyanide1 votes

2 games into the patch, 12 champions disabled.

Sherogarth1 votes

Can u at last read whole thread + comments before u write something like this... There is cap - max 3 champs disabled at one time.

DrCyanide1 votes

Can you take the time to edit your original post idea when you add information like that?

You still didn't address the issue that there will be a 12 way tie for first place in the first two games.

Sherogarth1 votes

Ok, now I understand, sorry i missred your post. I think that there can be ~1 week to determine new disabled champions.

AetherKingdom1 votes

A much simpler thing to do would be to increase bans by one per team.

Sherogarth2 votes

I was wondering if someone will find this out :D. Anyway Riot dont like simple and easy solutions :(.

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