I'd love it if supports could move to toplane.

Wolf and Gun·Jul 14, 2018·9 votes·4,039 views

Hear me out for a second. I understand that supports have belonged to ADC's and bot lane for awhile and top lane has been renown for being an island. They don't need our help.

But have you ever played top with a support?

I just had a Zyra + Darius top lane game that just worked so beautifully together.

I could root them and he could pull them in, or vice versa.

Fuck ADC's, they aren't as cool as the beefy guys and gals in top.

I wish playing top support was more 'meta'.

Hopefully with the bot lane changes, it will be.

37 Comments

saltranJul 14, 20186 votes

Just bring the toplaner to bot replacing the adc.

Warlord RhinarkJul 14, 20182 votes

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Just bring the toplaner to bot replacing the adc.

Yeah exactly.

IcyPepperJul 15, 20181 votes

Why tho. Get an early tower then swap to bot for dragon?

Friendly RamJul 14, 20182 votes

I always ask the enemy support to rotate top with me whenever my adc is a whiny bitch.

Leto GTJul 14, 20182 votes

Then you give a free drake. Bring the bruiser bot instead. There's a reason the duo lane is bot, it's to protect drake.

Wolf and GunJul 14, 20181 votes

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Then you give a free drake. Bring the bruiser bot instead. There's a reason the duo lane is bot, it's to protect drake.

Nah, a lot of junglers can solo drake. And plenty of ADC's are too afraid to lose one creep over getting a drag.

I don't need an ADC by drake. I've taken plenty w/o them.

Really, even when I'm supporting. I usually get more CS, Kills and objectives compared to my ADC.

Most often, they are holding me back. Give me a sexy top laner who can do more then fire auto attacks from a puny marksmen weapon.

Leto GTJul 14, 20183 votes

Well if you're solo laner is botlane is vs a duolane, sure it is. he'll be pushed, easy dive and even if they don't dive him, they can just drake easy because they're at best 4vs3. Especially if your solo laner is an adc. ADC and supp were put botlane for that specific reason. No jungler will "solo drake" when his botlane is pushed, especially if it's 1vs2.

PrismalDawnJul 14, 20181 votes

I do that all the time. You just have to wade through the bitchy entitled cucks of "ADC's" Why would I support something that dies in .00000001 seconds and deals no damage unless they have 6 items? Waste of my fucking time

UnknownTerritoryJul 14, 20181 votes

Its going to be like Smite. In smite your adc and support are in top lane

Wolf and GunJul 14, 20183 votes

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Its going to be like Smite. In smite your adc and support are in top lane

I'd love to separate the idea of support belonging to ADC's.

Supports should be free to choose who they support.

UnknownTerritoryJul 14, 20181 votes

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I'd love to separate the idea of support belonging to ADC's.

Supports should be free to choose who they support.

Actually you could that in a normal game. But the ADC is going to be alone vs 2 on bot lane. And probably you are going to be reported for trolling

Wolf and GunJul 14, 20183 votes

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Actually you could that in a normal game. But the ADC is going to be alone vs 2 on bot lane. And probably you are going to be reported for trolling

That's exactly my point. The mentality that it's trolling. Just let ADC's have toplane and 1v1.

Chembaron YamadaJul 14, 20182 votes

The average marksman is too vulnerable to be played at top lane. Ashe Jhin Jinx Kaisa KogMaw MissFortune Sivir

If you play these solo top, they will most likely just get brutally murdered from ganks. Many people already pointed it out, just get your bot laner to play a bruiser.

Wolf and GunJul 14, 20183 votes

That's a defeatist attitude.

I've seen plenty of ADC's manage on their own top.

Just cut the ADC role from the assumed support role.

saltranJul 15, 20181 votes

No, it will never work and when solo lane adcs are a thing Rito nerfs them like they did with Lucian Mid. Quinn and Corky are allowed to be solo lane because they were reworked for it and moved fom Botlane to solo lane.

And don't come witht he Vayne top because it's straight up bad, that's why Rito doesn't nerf her top, because is irrelevant.

Wolf and GunJul 15, 20181 votes

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No, it will never work and when solo lane adcs are a thing Rito nerfs them like they did with Lucian Mid. Quinn and Corky are allowed to be solo lane because they were reworked for it and moved fom Botlane to solo lane.

And don't come witht he Vayne top because it's straight up bad, that's why Rito doesn't nerf her top, because is irrelevant.

An ADC reworked to handle a solo lane. I can get behind that.

saltranJul 15, 20181 votes

I mean, it can happen but they are not going to rework all adcs to be solo laners.

IcyPepperJul 15, 20181 votes

But the ADC is going to be alone vs 2 on bot lane

Yet, by that logic, shouldn't top lane have the advantage of being the 2v1 then?

but the ADC

Or is this what you're really talking about? That the support role has to revolve around ADC's.

Chembaron YamadaJul 15, 20181 votes

Yes, your top lane has the advantage of being 2v1, meanwhile your own bot laner has the disadvantage of being 1v2.

Result: you completely ruin the game experience of 2 players, one of your team and one of the enemy team. It sucks for both sides.

It's not about ADCs, hell, ADCs aren't even a thing anymore. You are just creating 2 lanes with extremely high snowball potential. So if your bot laner keeps dying and dying, feeding the enemy beyond earth, you better don't dare to blame him.

IcyPepperJul 16, 20181 votes

Or you could just communicate, you know? Or grab a premade so the 1v2 laner is using a champion that can play relatively safe and the duo are a highly aggressive and/or roaming lane?

I'm getting the vibe that you want to strictly enforce a meta, which I get. It's fine if that's your opinion, it's just that mine is that we should be able to be a little more strategically flexible with our team compositions and lane strategy. It doesn't necessarily mean it has to ruin someone's game: you kind of forgot that lane swaps do exist if the enemy team is willing to adapt to the situation (and if they're not, do they really deserve to win?)

Painted CeltJul 15, 20181 votes

I think it would be best if supports started in mid lane and then roamed from their central starting position to side lanes as needed. Or perhaps it could be interesting if the support started off by leashing and tag-teaming with the jungler for the first clear and then pick a lane to stay in for a while. Either way would require a lot of rebalancing to roles though or we could end up with something like duo jungler and no viable positions for utility supports. Mid lane supports might push assassins out of mid as well, though perhaps some sort of double-roamer meta might form with certain supports being taken to synergize specifically with mid lane assassins. It could be really interesting but it would be very tricky to balance, and players would need prominent guidance from Riot/pro-players to teach and encourage players to shift meta or we would end up with a lot of lash back as players fail to adapt.

Wolf and GunJul 15, 20181 votes

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I think it would be best if supports started in mid lane and then roamed from their central starting position to side lanes as needed. Or perhaps it could be interesting if the support started off by leashing and tag-teaming with the jungler for the first clear and then pick a lane to stay in for a while. Either way would require a lot of rebalancing to roles though or we could end up with something like duo jungler and no viable positions for utility supports. Mid lane supports might push assassins out of mid as well, though perhaps some sort of double-roamer meta might form with certain supports being taken to synergize specifically with mid lane assassins. It could be really interesting but it would be very tricky to balance, and players would need prominent guidance from Riot/pro-players to teach and encourage players to shift meta or we would end up with a lot of lash back as players fail to adapt.

I completely agree. But encouraging something like this might be truly amazing. As new gameplay and design choices could become a thing. Mage toplane, Solo Support Mid, Bruiser or ADC bot. Then maybe even two junglers. So it's a lot more like volley ball. With trade interactions. Players running 5 lanes instead of 3, the extra two lanes being the jungle in a sense. Maybe scuttle turns into blue and red buff. Like, who knows. Try new things out.

crispy66Jul 16, 20181 votes

Supports don't belong to ADC's, the ADC's are cursed to have to have to lane with supports

Wolf and GunJul 16, 20181 votes

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Supports don't belong to ADC's, the ADC's are cursed to have to have to lane with supports

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You used different words to try and state the same thing.

crispy66Jul 16, 20181 votes

I'm pointing out that supports don't belong to ADC's like how you stated it, ADC's don't want supports either at least me, i would love so much to have bot as a 1v1 ADC with no supports

VoraciousXJul 14, 20181 votes

You should try Katarina and Nami(I have in bot lane and I love it).

Baron BarianJul 14, 20181 votes

I've played Tahm Kench top. After a while, the enemy will never stand near you, even if it means losing cs.

They know to fear me. :D

Wolf and GunJul 14, 20181 votes

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I've played Tahm Kench top. After a while, the enemy will never stand near you, even if it means losing cs.

They know to fear me. :D

Hell yes. Show them the power of that... tongue.

Subject 5Jul 14, 20181 votes

I've requested this a few times actually but in the end I usually get flamed and told to kill myself.

I'll ask if we have a Nasus top or a Darius Top because no matter what they CAN NOT be ignored. I feel safe, and then I can help my laner out because I feel safe enough to do that.

ChaddyFantomeJul 15, 20181 votes

I actually agree. Top lane supporting should be an option. Support should be free to support who needs it , the same way jungler is free to pressure the map where it's needed.

Luxana CrowngardJul 15, 20181 votes

To be honest, It can work beautifully because the current meta allows it. Supports do not need to be bot lane anymore. they can camp mid, they can camp bot, they can camp top. Hell you can have a support literally go up and down the fucking river and secure kills left and right during this meta. High risk though, but it does come with it's oh so smothering beauty of rewards.

Alex LuuJul 15, 20181 votes

Time for supports to support themselves? lol

But in all seriousness since:

Bot lanes have bruiser/mage comps

Mid laners now are smiters that control scuttle crabs(usually ADCs lately)

Junglers are now the assassins instead of tanks, since tanks have died out unless you go the toxic Funneling strat

Top lane should be supports that farm up and support once laning phase is over or to rotate bot lane after a turret bot lane is taken/destroyed

crispy66Jul 15, 20181 votes

you can have them, get those supports out of my bot lane

JoeAnarchyJul 15, 20181 votes

why not just delete marksmen from the game? why not just have all 5 people mid? why not just not have a jungler and instead have 2 in top and bot? oh right, because those strategies don't end up working in the long run, and the meta evolved from S1/S2 the way it did because they were the most optimal playstyles! stop trolling your teams and just play your role correctly!

Wolf and GunJul 15, 20181 votes

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why not just delete marksmen from the game? why not just have all 5 people mid? why not just not have a jungler and instead have 2 in top and bot? oh right, because those strategies don't end up working in the long run, and the meta evolved from S1/S2 the way it did because they were the most optimal playstyles! stop trolling your teams and just play your role correctly!

All of these are great questions. Shame; I don't think you would think of decent answers for any of them.

Stop trying to hold the game to a certain mold when Riot is always going to be experimenting.

If they wanted things to stay a certain way, they wouldn't change them. Repeatedly even after player feed back.

But they still do.

That's why strategies and play styles change. Not everyone like's to be the cookie cutter image.

Just let go.

Wacky9Jul 15, 20181 votes

The Romans had an ancient parable about the Hands and the Stomach. One day while the Hands were busy doing the hard work of the body, they got in a dispute with the Stomach. "Every day," they said, "we feed you food until you are satisfied. If we try to ignore it, you simply grumble and moan until we feed you. But we don't get to see any of the food for ourself." The Stomach simply gave out a great belly laugh and responded. "Without me you will die. The food you give me helps you as well." The Hands did not believe the Stomach and decided to stop feeding it. For a whole week they gave the Stomach no food and no water. The entire time the Stomach groaned and moaned and begged them for food. However the Hands ignored it. After the week was over the Hands were weak and couldn't hold anything. They tried to work but the Hands could barely grasp the lightest of feathers. "Why is this happening?" the Hands cried out. "What is wrong with us?" The Stomach was quiet for a long time before it croaked out an answer. "Feed me." Desperate to survive the Hands fed the Stomach and immediately felt energized. Before long the Hands resumed feeding the Stomach and all was well. Your post reminded me of this story.

The simple fact is that ADCs need the extra help. Toplane doesn't. Without a support in lane, a marksman will feed the enemy adc. A fed adc will murder your fed toplaner and then proceed to unleash some family friendly genocide all over your team. Marksman kits have been designed to give less sustain because they have a support with them. Bruiser and tank kits have been designed to solo lane, which changes how durable they are. Remove the support from an adc and what you are left with is cannon fodder. Moving the bruiser botlane isn't a bad idea, but adcs normally can't solo without getting stomped on. Plus supports offer strategical help in securing dragon early on. Rift Herald normally can't be a two person endeavor unless one is super fed, meaning the support won't help much. Plus since the other team will go support botlane like normal sane people (relatively), their jungler will just start ganking constantly top and yours will have to go bot. In addition, until a significant number of players start duo-topping, then it will be ineffective because you are helping toplane kill one person, while in bot you are helping the adc kill two.