I don't like saying a champion is op unless trying him

Khâmul··9 votes·948 views

Hello. I'm a guy who likes immobile champions because they have the same challenge that flashy champions. The only difference is that flashy champions have to use mechanical skills to get out of a bad situation while an immobile champ have to think about the way of not getting in a bad situation (skills in analyse).

Let's go to the main topic. In a game, I was playing Morde. Was doing fine as usual in my lane because I know how to handle this champion. Back in the days,they reworked him to be a short range/close combat champion who is slow and becomes a real threat in close combat (Q spell that hurt a lot). MasterYi haditem 3124 item 3748 item 3053 item 3742 and I wasn't able to trade him (that means I was dying really fast, I haditem 3151 item 3116 item 3143 item 3065 . Even though not being specialized in damages, they were fair. Afterwards, I just thought that it was an effect of the red smite, so no problem (by the way,he become an absolute priority and it was really hard to win this game).

Something irked me. I was playingMasterYi in aram with the worst team that could be against me: Yasuo Shaco (was playing good,putting the boxes to intercept me)Maokai Rammus Galio . I was getting slaughtered in the beginning, I was the only frontlane and I told myself: yolo,play for the fun and test that build that wrecked you hard when you were playing Mordekaiser I tookitem 3124 item 3074 item 3053 item 3006 . Holy shit, All I had to do was: -get CC by rammus -Get CC by galio (our kennen was able to spare me some times by landing some stuns) -Get CC by shaco and maokai

Results: -Sterak gone -Ultra low health.

What to do? -Press W -Look at them trying to kill you while laughing at them -Press Q and R and proceed to whipe them

Really guys, I swear, Just look at my champion pool. You'll find 175kMordekaiser , rank 4 Karthus and Kassadin and other pick (Thresh Kalista Hecarim Varus Twitch ). OFC I RARELY( like one or two time a year) before the champion mastery appeared. played the AP yii, the assassin Yii.

But when I finished the game after stomping them. I was pissed of. It took me NO EFFORT to survive. It took me NO EFFORT to kill! Seriously ... I never had this kill potential with the recent Morde (yes blabla ultimate adc, but blabla item 3140 (everyone isn't dumb) , maybe with the full AP it was,but I wasn't a tanking machine... I have serious doubts about your capability of balancing champions.. Personnal opinion: Mordekaiser 's only crime was to get reworked BEFORE adc and RIGHT BEFORE competition events. I think RIOT freaked out and things got out of control. I'm fine with Mordekaiser's state (that only means that he is playable, but the rework must be more serious than this), laning phase is fine.

I'll anticipate some reactions: -I'm not complaining about ranked,otherwise I'd ban him -Nasus becomes a monster in late game,you have to camp him,destroy him, destroy turrets, roam in other lanes to destroy them as soon as possible

Where do you camp a jungler? because if he isn't dumb,he can just ward the entrances of the jungle,you'll be warned on the enemy presence. If the opponent play safe,you can't get kills,even from a gank.

Still, I don't know why the balance team (I think it's probably the balance guy, because if it takes that much time to regulate things,they're the most incompetent ) allows this. When I check the PBE,I see nerfs/ups about champions that didn't ask anything (the most recent are swain and karthus nerfs....)

Really, wasn't pissed because I lose to this champion. I was pissed because I saw it took NO EFFORT to get what you want!

Best regards, A dissatisfied player, Khâmul

14 Comments

Weathered5 votes

I used to main Fiora .

Then I took a rework to the knee.

Cpt Chap Stick4 votes

I'll give that my +1.

I see no logical reason behind what the "balance team" (highly doubt there really is a "team" for this) is changing.

they are addressing things that never needed addressing. Sure Ahri needed some kind of adjustment, but she was way way down on the list of things the players were asking them to look at.

Its got to be 1 guy with more sway than anyone else. People at riot can suggest changes, but I'd bet there is 1 guy who decides who gets changes and who does not.

Hayaishi24 votes

Yi is dumb overpowered atm.

WadeWilson13373 votes

They are already nerfing devourer, you cant expect him to get direct nerfs the same patch as that happening. If it doesnt change much, then he will likely get some base damage nerfs, and Shyvana will probably get hit on her clear speed.

Khâmul1 votes

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They are already nerfing devourer, you cant expect him to get direct nerfs the same patch as that happening. If it doesnt change much, then he will likely get some base damage nerfs, and Shyvana will probably get hit on her clear speed.

the devourer is only a part of the problem. I got the same results with item 3074 . The thing is that master yii deals physical,magical and brut damages.the attack speed from the guinsoo ,boots and ultimate is enough for you to build tankiness. It's unfair to inflict this amount of damages while getting benefits from tankiness AND mobility...

WadeWilson13371 votes

Master Yi is only building tank because damage in general is so high. ADCs used to be so weak that they were worthless in teamfights, so you needed another glass cannon on your team in most cases to be the backup when they get destroyed. Thats when champions like Master Yi and Katarina came in. However, now that ADCs do a shit ton of damage now and its not uncommon for comps to run 2-3 every time, you dont need the glass cannons that Fiora and Yi were, as they would get decimated by AOE damage alone in this meta. Its not that he deals so much damage he can go tank because he feels like it, its because he has to. I personally dont have a problem with Yi, in fact he is one of the champions i have the highest winrate against as a jungler. I understand how he can be frustrating, but whenever i look at peoples match history who complain about him...they pick champions who lack hard cc, which is Yi's hardest counter. The greatest weakness of bruiser Yi is that he basically cant go QSS, or he suffers the loss of alot of tankiness, and quite a bit of damage.

Khâmul1 votes

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Master Yi is only building tank because damage in general is so high. ADCs used to be so weak that they were worthless in teamfights, so you needed another glass cannon on your team in most cases to be the backup when they get destroyed. Thats when champions like Master Yi and Katarina came in. However, now that ADCs do a shit ton of damage now and its not uncommon for comps to run 2-3 every time, you dont need the glass cannons that Fiora and Yi were, as they would get decimated by AOE damage alone in this meta. Its not that he deals so much damage he can go tank because he feels like it, its because he has to. I personally dont have a problem with Yi, in fact he is one of the champions i have the highest winrate against as a jungler. I understand how he can be frustrating, but whenever i look at peoples match history who complain about him...they pick champions who lack hard cc, which is Yi's hardest counter. The greatest weakness of bruiser Yi is that he basically cant go QSS, or he suffers the loss of alot of tankiness, and quite a bit of damage.

Sometimes I win against master yii. Sometimes I loose against him. For different reasons. I was just iritaded after playing him to see how much he is a low risk high reward champions. I played him against strong CC champions and still , I could win. THat's why I'm writing this. I wouldn't really care if I got destroyed against CC,but the thing is, it wasn't enough..

WadeWilson13371 votes

I actually made a thread about this about how to deal with Yi. You cant just let him free farm. One of the things that lower elo junglers dont understand is counterjungling, especially when the enemy jungler is weak. If you were facing against a Nasus top lane, is your team just going to play normally and let him infinately stack? Of course not. Yet in lower elo, thats EXACTLY WHAT THEY LET YI DO. Seriously, in lower elo the only consequence of devourer being a very weak early game, its entirely negated because no one will abuse you. Hes a hyperscaling champion, if you just put your nametag on his jungle, he will be the useless Yi we all know and love to freelo against.

DorkunedAuras2 votes

Shyv just got her clear speed gutted.

WadeWilson13372 votes

Just saw that. The W nerf is understandable, but the Q nerf is just stupid.

DorkunedAuras2 votes

to be fair, the Q is mostly an on-hit proccing device, but come on. That's a lot of damage gone.

VictoryDance961 votes

Mordekaiser is a little OP for lower ELO, especially in the bot lane. Marksmen really don't have the means to counter him because their poke is meaningless against his shield, and he wins every early all-in. Mordekaiser is the only champion in the game I have gotten a pentakill with (provided, I have not played the game very long).

Also, I like that you play a game before making a comment about a champ being "OP". But is one good game or two or three enough to make that decision. Besides, The champion is not being nerfed because at higher levels (Plat+) he gets CCed hard. Is it really Yi's fault or just that people cannot watch video and learn what to do against him?

Khâmul1 votes

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Mordekaiser is a little OP for lower ELO, especially in the bot lane. Marksmen really don't have the means to counter him because their poke is meaningless against his shield, and he wins every early all-in. Mordekaiser is the only champion in the game I have gotten a pentakill with (provided, I have not played the game very long).

Also, I like that you play a game before making a comment about a champ being "OP". But is one good game or two or three enough to make that decision. Besides, The champion is not being nerfed because at higher levels (Plat+) he gets CCed hard. Is it really Yi's fault or just that people cannot watch video and learn what to do against him?

first of all, Mordekaiser is really easy in lower ELO,when people don't know what is focus, split pushing,wards etc. (btw,I play him top) In higher ELO,you just get camped (or just killed^) because Mordekaiser is super weak in early. I also agree with you about playing only one game that was good while playing yii. Still, I know what I do, I don't use w unless CC are used BUT there was 1 interrupt from maokai,1 from shaco (he used his boxes in the middle of the fight),2 from rammus, and one from galio( his ultimate). I can swear I took ALL of the CC and i can guarantee that I always warn my teammates about CC master yii so he won't be a nuisance in teamfights. The thing is, you'll restrain your choices in your champion pools. If the game must evolve around ONE guy,then there's a problem (high elo or not). Because don't forget, when we still try to shred master yii,the enemy adc is enjoying himself. As A frontlaner,without CC when I play Morde, is to hold as much as I can and try to survive longer than Master yii and stop him from destroying the four other people. I got two friends that agree with me (one in plat III and another who went diamond IV last year) and had a long talk with them. It was damn easy to carry with him Oo, it didn't take the same amount of effort that I have with Morde :/

In plat/diamond,his winrate is good (more than 50%).

GlockHammer1 votes

Morde was the first champion I ever bought in LoL and while I still love him dearly, I just can't play him anymore. Not bashing on him or anything, but the master of metal deserves to be in the spotlight, he's been neglected for so long. he had like 1-2 weeks when he was remade into an ADC (uurrghh) I guess Riot must be into pop music or something considering how they treat him.

[zombie-nunu-bummed]

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